Ghost Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Anyone have a grab of this last night? EDIT: Let me rephrase that: Does anyone have a snip of this judge from last night? That first attempt didn't sound good in context. In the La Crosse thread G, it was mentioned she is working towards her DCI "clipboard", has done many BOA shows, and seems to go out of her way to dress much different than the other judges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 which all had nothing to do with the thread.....lol...big surprise..........................BUT, Beth knows her stuff, thats for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim K Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I know you mean well, and your history knowledge only goes back so far. But it would be a total disservice to the once young Women ( now old , or deceased) of the Audubon ( NJ) all Female Drum & Bugle Corps to have their accomplishments obliterated because we do not know, or value this history of this enterprise, we call " Drum Corps ". For the record, ( MikeD mentioned a bit of it ) here were just snippets of how the All Female Audubon " Bon Bons " fared at their height against " the guys" or the other Corps where females in these other Corps played neither Brass, nor Drums. : In 1957, at the American Legion Nationals Championships, Audubon scored a 90.950, and placed 2nd, just 3 tenths behind the winner, Garfield ( The ) Cadets. Audubon won Percussion, beating the Cadets in Percussion. They also beat Blessed Sacrament, Boston Crusaders, St. Kevin's Emerald Knights, Argonne Rebels, Selden Cadets, St. Catherine's Queensmen,, etc in both placement AND in Percussion as well.. Audubon beat 27 out of 28 national competitors in placement at this National Championships( the forerunner of DCI championships ), and topped all of them in Percussion. In 1960, in Miami, at the American Legion National Championships, the All Female Audubon Drum Corps placed 3rd, and they won Brass. Yes, the " girls without lung power " as you said ,took home the High Brass Trophy at the National Championships this year.. Their Brass line beat Cadets, Chicago Royal Airs, Sky Ryders, St. Lucy's, Bracken Cavaliers ,etc among others. In their heyday, they beat all ' the Guy " Corps at one time or another, ie Madison Scouts, Racine Kilties, Cadets, Blessed Sacrament, Cavaliers, etc... and most of the Coed Corps, ie Boston Crusaders, St. Lucy's, St. Kevin's, Chicago Royal Airs, and hundreds of others. In their heydey ( 50's ), they were a national top 5 Drum Corps, despite not having a male marcher anywhere in their marching ranks at any time for the over 40 years that they were in existence and in competition with others. In 1967, the entire Corps itself was elected into the Drum Corps Hall of Fame, and the coolest thing is...... they did not go into the Drum Corps Hall of Fame as an " All Female category " Drum Corps. Yes. The glory days of some of the corps you mentioned are a bit before my time, I don't think my full quotes discredits the a all girl corps of the 50's and 60's. All I am saying is that at one time, all boy or all girl corps were popular for people to join, but in the late 1970's , you saw fewer and fewer. Kiltes went coed in 1978, about that time the all boy horn line and drum line of BAC became coed, a group in Lynn, MA tried to start an all boy corps. It did not succeed. If memory serves me correctly, Arabella went coed. I think Madison and Cavies survived as is because they are Madison and Cavies. Personally, I think there would be merits to all female corps just as there are merits to all male corps. Studies show that young women often have greater success if they attend all girl high schools and I am often impressed by young men who attend all boy high schools, especially those run by the Jesuits. The same could happen with drum corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Yes. The glory days of some of the corps you mentioned are a bit before my time, I don't think my full quotes discredits the a all girl corps of the 50's and 60's. All I am saying is that at one time, all boy or all girl corps were popular for people to join, but in the late 1970's , you saw fewer and fewer. Kiltes went coed in 1978, about that time the all boy horn line and drum line of BAC became coed, a group in Lynn, MA tried to start an all boy corps. It did not succeed. If memory serves me correctly, Arabella went coed. I think Madison and Cavies survived as is because they are Madison and Cavies. Personally, I think there would be merits to all female corps just as there are merits to all male corps. Studies show that young women often have greater success if they attend all girl high schools and I am often impressed by young men who attend all boy high schools, especially those run by the Jesuits. The same could happen with drum corps. all true BUT also have to remember ( which many forget when talking about the past ) it was the past, a different time, different kid, different mind set, just different times. Kids were a little more sheltered, a little less worldly, a little less connected, alot less options. There were some great all girl corps Bon Bons being at the very top. I remember their directors as a very young kid at a show holding the hand of a member and getting the evil eye. Imagine that today?...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 (edited) You should have heard them "SNAP" those things closed as a group... Really got your attention. (edit: added a full color pic found in the Historical forum) Thank you for posting these photos! I think those uniforms are really cool. Since Bridgemen had already paved the way, I remember people being much less shocked by them. Cool story. I was at work one day around 9 years ago and was giving back my old laptop as a new one had come in. I handed the laptop to the IT guy when I remembered that I had left a DCI CD in it. I asked him if I could have it back to retrieve the CD. A colleague asked me "What is a DCI CD?" I explained what it was and got the expected band nerd reaction. Suddenly this guy I worked with comes over after over hearing the conversation and says "I know about all that stuff - my mother was the Director of a corps from Laval called "Les Chatelaines." My mouth dropped. He didn't quite understand why I was so impressed with that. Edited July 13, 2014 by Lincoln 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindap Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I was fortunate to have seen many all girl corps from Ontario, Quebec, eastern US 1968-1975 and was privilaged to be an instructor for 3 all girl corps 1975-1979 (teaching marching was easy :)I have a recording of Alberta All Girls B performing Clock drum solo 1974 and a recording of SCV playing Clock drum solo 1975. Same drum instructor? I made a recording of Alberta All Girls A performing Clear As The Driven Snow drum solo 1977. Seattle Imperials played the same drum solo 1978 or 1979. Same drum instructor/arranger for sure.I'm not sure if an all girls drum corps is possible these days but Drumline Battle or SoundSport may be a possibility in the future. Just a thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 Studies show that young women often have greater success if they attend all girl high schools and I am often impressed by young men who attend all boy high schools, especially those run by the Jesuits. The same could happen with drum corps. Our daughter went to Notre Dame Academy, Hingham, MA, and is proof of those studies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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