FaustianMachine Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) It might also make things easier for those at the bottom end of each grouping. Let's say you do Prelims and narrowly get 12th place. You do the same thing again on Semis by the same margin, and you've made Finals! On Finals, you have a terrible run with electronics issues and there's ensemble tears and everything, so you crash and burn. Your average score now drops below the corps in 13th, are they now 12th? If so, should they get an extra show? Are they now considered a Finalist instead? Edited July 28, 2022 by FaustianMachine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet2 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 I can see both sides of it, but I think my view was more that the caption awards are determined by average so the champion should too. Obviously it doesn’t matter how they do it, but it would be interesting for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chief Guns Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, BlueStainGlass said: Well it happened with Phantom in 08 and to be on the field when those scores were announced was crazy energy And please correct me if i am wrong, but if we average out the scores all three nights, BD wins outright in 2008, and the mass hysteria that broke out with Phantom winning would have never existed. BD also would have won outright in 1996 and 1999 with no ties, meaning Phantom Regiment would have zero championships. Edited July 28, 2022 by Chief Guns 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpet2 Posted July 28, 2022 Author Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, FaustianMachine said: It might also make things easier for those at the bottom end of each grouping. Let's say you do Prelims and narrowly get 12th place. You do the same thing again on Semis by the same margin, and you've made Finals! On Finals, you have a terrible run with electronics issues and there's ensemble tears and everything, so you crash and burn. Your average score now drops below the corps in 13th, are they now 12th? If so, should they get an extra show? I think that’s technically happened before. I feel like in the last 10 years it’s happened that the 12th place corps at finals scores lower than the corps that got 13th at semis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxfreq1128 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, brassboy said: I think averaging the three scores would likely be LESS interesting if after the first two nights it’s clear that it would be virtually impossible for another corps to score high enough to make the average work in their favor. One of the incredible things about finals night is how corps tend to find that extra little spark to make their performance extra special. So it’s even more spectacular when a corps comes from behind because of it. I wouldn’t mind seeing a completely doubled panel for finals night though. true that. years like 1996 and 1999 and 2000 and 2008 and 2015 aren’t “the norm” BUT they happen just often enough for me to feel the suspense every single year! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawdn Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 2015 could have gone down very differently, but I haven’t done the math. Penalties on Friday or Thursday could really hit hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, saxfreq1128 said: true that. years like 1996 and 1999 and 2000 and 2008 and 2015 aren’t “the norm” BUT they happen just often enough for me to feel the suspense every single year! I think covid must be forcing the variability this year. Not a great trade off but here we are. Safety first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaustianMachine Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Trumpet2 said: I think that’s technically happened before. I feel like in the last 10 years it’s happened that the 12th place corps at finals scores lower than the corps that got 13th at semis. Oh for sure, it's absolutely the norm. If I remember right, Phantom 19 was the only 12th place show in a while that didn't drop below 13th from the day before. I was just wondering if we would do this to do all rankings or just 1-3, since 12th place comes with a Finals spot, a Blu-Ray appearance, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasPRfan Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I think the approach now is right. Award captions based on consistent excellence. For the winning corps, though, it has to be the best performance on the last night. Some shows get exposed seeing them 3 nights in a row. Yes, there can be individual judge variances, but 3 great examples come to mind - Phantom moving up each night in Orlando in 1996 to Tie BD on Saturday night when they were just FIRE that night, Phantom again doing the same thing in 2008, only getting the tiniest fraction ahead of a tie, and BD turning the tables to do it to Crown during Crown's Inferno year, when Crown left their best show on the field on Friday night. That drama and reward for being the best on the very last night should never go away in my opinion. Harvey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, FaustianMachine said: It might also make things easier for those at the bottom end of each grouping. Let's say you do Prelims and narrowly get 12th place. You do the same thing again on Semis by the same margin, and you've made Finals! On Finals, you have a terrible run with electronics issues and there's ensemble tears and everything, so you crash and burn. Your average score now drops below the corps in 13th, are they now 12th? If so, should they get an extra show? There have been countless times where a corps makes finals, then their finals score drops below the 13th or even 14th place corps prelims' score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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