27Socal Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, henry7184 said: Different shows, different nights. Don't bet on it in Indy. Same judging panel both nights. That's the important part of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaustianMachine Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 For those waiting on Prelims order, I did the math! In reverse order of appearance: Blue Devils Boston Crusaders Carolina Crown Bluecoats Santa Clara Vanguard The Cadets Blue Stars The Cavaliers Mandarins Phantom Regiment Crossmen Colts Blue Knights Troopers Madison Scouts The Academy Music City Pacific Crest Genesis Jersey Surf 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilme861 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, henry7184 said: There is not. Good grief, we say it for a reason. You cannot compare scores from different nights. It doesn't matter if the judging panel is the same. Everything else is different. They are comparing different corps, which leads them to their numbers. They cannot compare BD last night to Crown tonight. It's entirely impossible. There has never been any type of doctrine set at Allentown and it's absurd to claim so. Hate to break it to you but seems like this has to be explained EVERY year on here...Allentown is indeed judged as a single regional. It's the same judges that are judging the same captions as if it's a single event. DCI has itself explained this before and it's been like this ever since I marched over 10 years ago. Doesn't matter if one night has a completely soaked field with 30 mph winds and the next night has a completely clear and perfect night with no wind, it's all judged as if it was all happening on the same night. Any other event, you would be right. But not for Allentown. Here's a quick link that took me 2 seconds to google showing it explained on the DCI site a few seasons ago: Recap Roundup: DCI Eastern Classic (Allentown) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27Socal Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, MidWAmericanArts said: At different shows on different nights… less interesting Same stadium, same judging panel. Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry7184 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, 27Socal said: Same judging panel both nights. That's the important part of this. It's irrelevant. Everything else is different. When a judge awards a 9.6 it's not rewarded entirely based on criteria. A huge part of it is based on what the judge gave the previous corps. A judge cannot compare BD last night to Vanguard tonight. It's impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAtenhut Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, 27Socal said: Same stadium, same judging panel. Interesting Supposed to be the same show in two days, and I think for the most part the judges did ok. But I really question Crossmen's and Troopers' big jump over Colts and BK. Crossmen are not 2 pts better than the Colts and only 2 pts behind Phantom. And that is where I think the judges may have had a temporary brainfart. But I do hope Troopers being back to almost full strength again truly did put them back in the race for finals. Can you imagine a Finals with Colts AND Troopers?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry7184 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, wilme861 said: Hate to break it to you but seems like this has to be explained EVERY year on here...Allentown is indeed judged as a single regional. It's the same judges that are judging the same captions as if it's a single event. DCI has itself explained this before and it's been like this ever since I marched over 10 years ago. Doesn't matter if one night has a completely soaked field with 30 mph winds and the next night has a completely clear and perfect night with no wind, it's all judged as if it was all happening on the same night. Any other event, you would be right. But not for Allentown. Here's a quick link that took me 2 seconds to google showing it explained on the DCI site a few seasons ago: Recap Roundup: DCI Eastern Classic (Allentown) We're talking about two different things. Yes, DCI said it's a single regional. That still doesn't mean Crown is ahead of Boston and Bluecoats or beat Boston and Bluecoats at Allentown. They performed yesterday and were compared to BD. Crown performed today and was compared to Cadets and Vanguard. Case in point - 2019. Crown never beat Vanguard head-to-head yet they outscored them at Allentown. I don't care if God says it's so, it ain't so. It's impossible for any judge to judge a set of corps one night comparing them to a set of different corps from the night before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxfreq1128 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, henry7184 said: It's irrelevant. Everything else is different. When a judge awards a 9.6 it's not rewarded entirely based on criteria. A huge part of it is based on what the judge gave the previous corps. A judge cannot compare BD last night to Vanguard tonight. It's impossible. Corps from the previous night count as “the previous corps” at Allentown, that’s all we’re trying to say. The judges start the two nights knowing this. Scores tonight were given with scores from yesterday in mind. Whether its objectively possible is a separate question, although I’m not sure judging all of these corps in the same night is so much less ridiculous, given the number of groups we’re comparing. Edited August 7, 2022 by saxfreq1128 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilme861 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, henry7184 said: It's irrelevant. Everything else is different. When a judge awards a 9.6 it's not rewarded entirely based on criteria. A huge part of it is based on what the judge gave the previous corps. A judge cannot compare BD last night to Vanguard tonight. It's impossible. BOA Super Regionals are done this exact way. Bands are spread out over 2 days with the same judges with those scores over both days deciding who moves on to finals... I think DCI judges can do the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry7184 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, CAtenhut said: Supposed to be the same show in two days, and I think for the most part the judges did ok. But I really question Crossmen's and Troopers' big jump over Colts and BK. Crossmen are not 2 pts better than the Colts and only 2 pts behind Phantom. And that is where I think the judges may have had a temporary brainfart. But I do hope Troopers being back to almost full strength again truly did put them back in the race for finals. Can you imagine a Finals with Colts AND Troopers?? Exactly. It's not a brain fart. The only thing consistent is the judges. Everything else is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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