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awesome stuff. Getting something back in Marion other than the school bands again.

Well hopefully soon this will get worked out and we can get at least a weekend corps back up soon.

i'm glad some local people there are starting to take notice finally. I, for one, would be glad to come back and teach there if someone else took over the operation and actually could make decisions sooner than 3 months after an Idea is had for recruiting. If I lived in the area i'd volunteer to help with the rat-finding mission we got it seems. If any of you are actually working towards a solution, I would glad to be part of it in any way I can.

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Good luck guys!

I do believe the Marion Cadets are accepting applications, with the new redefining of 2/3 into open class, I believe they will have room in all sections for anyone interested. They are in Marion Ohio, north of Columbus.

Well as many have said, its a tricky subject. Having full shows on youtube should be illegal because thats someone's work that they should be getting money for. But having clips, and especially parking lot stuff is the best thing since sliced bread. Nothing beats playing a BD f-tuning warmup, or other chord progression, over loud speakers to a band that knows nothing about drum corps and watch their jaws drop and start to drool. And doing the same for any of the Cadences out there for a young drumline. I got my first taste of corps with video taking by a friend from the parking lot of Madison. I'd think the corp that starts to put thier parking lot videos or rehearsals on youtube for free right now, will be known faster and better by kids that would normally never have heard of the activity.

I hear Tasty Bros have the leading method on achieving high range.... (for those that don't know who they are, this is completely a joke, but look them up anyways, its amazing)

I have perfect hearing, and after 9 years of marching band, and 2 years of playing in a corps, and years of listening I can still hear a train going by just like everyone else. I'm just glad they turned down the volume of the train whistle, that used to hurt my ears...

Back to to topic... the only physical differences (besides that each manufacturer uses different designs of bending the tubes) is that G horns, or bugles if you want, are longer in actually length of tubing on soprano, mello, alto, baritone/euph, and contra, but in physical length from mouthpiece receiver to bell tended to be shorter than the Bb counterparts are, but that isn't always the case, mostly with the Euph, I don't think I've ever seen a Bb horn that was longer from mouthpiece receiver to the bell than the King and Kanstul Euphoniums, I could be wrong, and as far as tuba/contra is concerned, each brand and model varies of actual height of it sitting on its bell to the top curve of piping; some Bbs are 'taller' and some Gs are 'taller' depending on the brand and model. But with All Gs having more piping they are all heavier than their Bb counterparts, maybe not in Dynasty Gs, I think their sops were lighter than trumpets. Which probably leads the fact I hated the sounds of Dynasty sops. For those that know technical physical traits, did I miss any? I noticed most of the replies eventually concerned sound and such, but the OP was talking about physical things. Not EVERY G was conical bore, and not every Bb is cylindrical. There were G horns that were cylindrical, the alto and french horns I believe were cylindrical in some cases, and some brands of sopranos were cylindrical, and there are some Bbs horns that are conical. There may be a few that don't know the difference between cylindrical and conical and don't feel like googling it or reading it on previous posts. The difference is in a cylindrical horn the bore size, or the inside hole of the tubing, stays the same diameter all the way to the valves, then after the valves begins to open up and flare out to the bell. Where as a conical horn is like a cone, it starts at the mouthpiece receiver and gradually starts to get bigger as it approaches the valves and, and also gets bigger after the valves leading the bell just like cylindrical horns do. I think I said it right and didn't forget something.

I also agree. It is probably my favorite show of all time. Was it the best of all time? ehh, I'd put it up there as one of the best, but it is most definitely my favorite show, and the most entertaining to me.

in 2001, my senior year we did the same "show" as Cadets 2000. Meaning we had brand new arrangements of the Disney Millennium Suite. I enjoyed it a lot, and actually we started playing the show music before I knew that a drum corps did it. I barely knew what drum corps was at the time, and had missed the PBS specially that year of the 2000 finals, so I didn't know it yet, but we soon watched it, and it's still an amazing show.

I personally don't like it when a band directly rips note for note and even tries to mimic some of the drill too. But I have no problem with a band making it their own. I've seen a few bands out here in Iowa doing from Blue Devils shows, and some Madison shows as well. And they rewrote the solos and altered the music to fit their abilities rather than try to hack through the really hard stuff the Corps did like some bands do. To sum up, I can respect a band doing the same corps show as long as the band CAN do the show.

absolutely. I think Vet should be awarded and i'd even go as far as using an increasing model, where your 2nd year is 50 off, then 100, then 200, then 325, then 475..etc. Seriously. Your end product would only get that much better with having that many more reasons for vets to return. Maybe some corps would cap it at 500 off for old vets, but seriously, how many people can afford to mach 4-5 years in a D1 corps now a days. I couldn't afford even 1 year, which is why I marched 2 years in whats now called Open Class, aka D2/3 and even with that without a sponsor my 2nd year wouldn't have happened.

It's not the elimination of Division 3, but the incorporation of 2 and 3 into 1 group. I think it'll be better for recruitment, staff are no longer recruiting for a small d3 corps, but now recruiting for an open class corps.

I think it's got good potential. Yes it does now restrict several D3 corps from getting a medal come finals week. But There have been many D3 corps in recent years that have done very very well against the D2 corps. Did OC get 3rd overall in 06? or 05. Blue Stars have done it, I believe Raiders had done it, Revolution, etc. maybe they didn't actually all get 3rd over all, but they were for sure very close if not actually 3rd over all. Anywho, my point being with this proposal more "formerly D3" corps will probably be able to recruit better and while maybe not grow alot, but be able to recruit better players to their ranks, and thus we could see a 50 member corps taking first place over all because they were the best and the corps didn't lose great players due to the great players not wanting to be in a "D3" corps before they were there long enough to know it really never mattered in the first place. Hopefully this made some sense at 130am, we'll see.

I just hope his 2nd symphony is in there alot. Easily one of my favorite pieces I ever played back in my college wind symphony. Simply an amazing piece, especially the last 15 seconds of the piece. Man, i'd love to hear 12 mellos playing a high C at the end just like the original. I'd have no choice but to tip my hat to that.

yes, my math was wrong, i put in more number than needed. Anywho, I still go with 24 hours a day, because even when you're asleep you're "on call" if something should arise, especially if its on a moving bus. As a teacher i'm "on the job" at any moment when a student is my responsibility. So while on tour and on weekend camps, they're still my responsibility while I sleep. But yes, my math is wrong, so going with 5.25*24*90 (i'm still going with 90 days to include the 2-4 weeks of everydays camp) = 11,340 just for tour. As others have said, a teacher that teaches for the money isn't doing it for the right reasons, cuz it sure ain't enough for that to be the only reason.

every corps pays differently, and every writer/caption demands different amounts to work with a group. It's possible a caption in a bottom placing corps gets paid more than a top placing caption head. And It's possible a top placing corps has a tech that gets paid more than a caption in a lower placing corps, and vice versa I bet. But one of it is enough for the amount of work that goes into it, especially for the touring staff. Touring staff are essentially at work 24 hours a day for 2 and and half months. If they were paid even minimum wage that would be ... 5.25*24*2.5*90 = 28,350. I doubt anyone gets paid that much for the whole year. Though I don't know, maybe there are some caption heads that make that in a year with a corps. There are many corps directors that don't even make that. I just thought it would be interesting to see the pay at minimum wage. Quite amazing though ain't it.

Uniforms would be something along the lines of 2001 glassmen with more of the BD colors. But section styles.. 90s Madison Brass sound BD brass technique PR arrangments Cadets percussion, both writing and performance Phantom gaurd work with BD coolness. SCV's marching, back with the hip switch though. thats about it. I'd be happy with that.

It's not that the instrument itself is easier to tune, because it isn't. It's because the kids have already been playing on these instruments and are more familiar with tuning them already, whereas a G line contains brand new instruments for everyone that hasn't been in corps very long, and therefor harder to tune because of the unfamiliarity with them.

Man, is there anyone you don't know Mike? Minor Pen pals or not.. thats so awesome.

agreed. Tough choice, I had to go with Phantom though. So close! Though it appears to be a blowout for Bluecoats

yeah, it seems with multi-key horns they are almost to where we were prior to 2000 with volume. Almost there, that is. I'd give it another 2-3 years till we're back to where we were with volume prior to multi-key horns. But I believe in the end, as long as woodwinds stay out of drum corps, the change to multi-key will have been for the better.

oh god I hope electronics doesn't pass.... Amp'ing the pit makes sense to me from a musical/education standpoint, IE having the players play correctly instead of banging on the keys to be heard. But electronics as an instrument, just doesn't belong, IMHO.