Jeff Ream Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 . . .I wonder how fast Allentown will sell out in 2010. I think quite a few people might make it their "Finals" this year. uh it took me a few days to call in for the special offer period. needless to say I'm not between the 45's, not high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Rex pointed out to me that one thing that corps could do to optimize the sound for this venue would be to turn down the BASS 'reinforcement' coming from the amps. Several corps just amp'd the &*%$#^ out of their low-end. That may play well in a big outdoor stadium - but it just bounces around in an indoor venue.Maybe what Mr. Dorritie was saying is that corps would sound better if they were not amp'd so much and so badly. In fact there was just as much 'real estate' in the article on that subject "“Levels and EQ for amplified sound need to be optimized for Lucas Oil Stadium, as in any professional concert situation.” What a concept .... 'drum corps un-plugged' Of course that was overlooked as well as other aspects of the article so we could make a mountain of a molehill out of this one comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Obviously you do not attend many shows. Atlanta and San Antonio are much worst sonically.They are not passing the buck. Why do you think that DCI is releasing all of this info: they are trying to improve the sound quality. Can they? I do not know, but there seems to be a feeling that this is all DCI's fault. This is really short sighted. Couldn't it just be possible that they are really trying? I wish all of the DCA detractors would stay on their side as they can never see anything good about DCI. Some of the people who are commenting have never even been in LOS. How can you even give an opinion? Maybe we should have separate forums: Wait, we do. DCA people: please stay on the DCA side and stop your continuous criticism of DCI. We should be trying to build up the activity and not continuously attack DCI just because you don't like some of their policies. I do not see any DCI people attacking DCA. I wish that DCI would open there own forum on dci.org so DCI people could talk among ourselves and not have this continual attack by the DCA cabal (As if they were the only "pure" drum corps left)! It is unbelievable to me the level of animosity that is present against DCI. Please stay on your DCA forum and let us DCI folks try to actually work out solutions instead of just attacking DCI. They are working on solutions. Let's work with them and keep building up the activity. what about those of us that praise and criticize both? the problem is...sadly...right now there isnt a lot to criticize DCA for unless you hate Rochester or you think corps with 35 or fewer members should be allowed to perform wherever the hell they want. I happen to think DCI has done more than a few good things lately...they got me back as a fan. but LOS isn't one of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZFan Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Is there anything that can be done to LOS to fix the acoustic disaster? I think it would be stupid of a show designer not to consider LOS's sound, but to base the entire show off it, sounds like controversy and we might seem a major leap in the rankings after quarterfinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Good show design will sound good in any venue, with a few adjustments. Good sound design can be adjusted on the fly, to make the show sound it's best in any venue. You know, kinda like how professional tours do. can you explain why we have so many balance issues inside and out then when it comes to the pits volumes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 I'm a bit confused here. I was at LOS for the finals and agree that there were some problems, but I don't have the acoustical knowledge to yell about what should be done.But I wonder... Did SCV and the unnamed "other top corps" really design their shows for LOS? They'd never been in the place (OK, for the most part, or for a football game?). If they did "tweak" their shows, I would assume they did it between quarters and finals, and is there really that much tech gear available there for them to get readings on what would sound best the following nights? Maybe it is possible that trained ears can do all that's necessary by instinct and by only listening to a live show once or twice, but that sounds almost superhuman. My uninformed guess is that it would take a few years of competition in LOS for people to have a really good idea what works and what doesn't for the combination of LOS acoustics and a corps' show material, which changes every year. In short, and with absolutely no disrespect to the corps intended, might they just have been lucky? Setting up a sound stage for a professional show is largely a matter of aiming the jillions of speakers and adjusting sound levels for those amps and speakers, and there are roadies crawling around with sophisticated gear before a show to get things as right as possible. At pop and rock shows, everything and everybody is amped. The roadies also know from experience what differences between an empty indoor arena and a filled one need to be compensated for. But with all the pressured cleaning that's going on as finals approach, it's surely an immense burden for unamped marchers to have to alter what was right at the outdoor shows to compensate for being indoors. remember, as we're often told whenever a new rule rolls out, these guys have BOa experience, which in DCI press release terms, means they know all. so they should know what the stadium sounds like from BOA experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relmquist Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 Just to set the record straight...I've seen my fair share of DCI shows. In fact, I marched in DCI. I have performed and watched shows at Atlanta and San Antonio (and the RCA dome for that matter). Of course they are much worse then LOS. But on that same scale LOS is much worse then any outdoor stadium I have ever watched a show in. This is finals we are talking about. Forgive me, but I have become skeptical about much of what DCI says about LOS: it was supposed to be designed with acoustics in mind, right? Not. And despite any attempt to eliminate reverb, it will be there. I for one do not want to spend my money anymore to travel and watch finals if the acoustics detract from the listening experience as much as they did in 2009. 2008 had a much better venue in my opinion. How is this not DCI's fault? They had the option to bail after a year. Obviously they chose not to, and I disagree with that decision. I'd rather just get the DVDs now, it's much cheaper. What does DCA have to do with this? The venue will not change. DCI had no option to get out of LOS. The CORPS decided to move there and it was not a decision made lightly. They are working to improve the situation. What do they gain by not doing anything? Remember DCI is the corps, it is not a separate entity! So if you are skeptical about DCI you are really doubting the corps as DCI is the corps!!!!! Corps can adjust to improve the situation. All of this complaining does nothing to fix the situation. If you do not want to spend your money, then don't. Remember when you do this, you hurt the corps, not DCI. Once again: DCI IS THE CORPS!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 ok...so say year two, despite all the work is better, but still really bad. does DCI want to risk alienating even more fans from their show of shows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relmquist Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 what about those of us that praise and criticize both?the problem is...sadly...right now there isnt a lot to criticize DCA for unless you hate Rochester or you think corps with 35 or fewer members should be allowed to perform wherever the hell they want. I happen to think DCI has done more than a few good things lately...they got me back as a fan. but LOS isn't one of them That is a shock as you criticize DCI continually. If DCA is so great, why waste your time on the DCI forum? There is a DCA forum. DCI needs support. So many of the DCI detractors have failed to realize that DCI is not some controlling entity that RUNS DCI class corps. DCI IS THE CORPS!!!!!! If you pull your support, you are pulling it from the corps. If you criticise DCI, you are criticizing the corps themselves. The CORPS made the decision to move to Indy and LOS. This will not change. They are clearly trying to improve the situation. They are being more tranparent than ever. Look at the new column by Bob Jacobs. Lets work with them and continue to support them. If you can't do this, please just stay with DCA. Do you think I am happy with LOS? I am not, but I re-upped my Friends of DCI membership even though I didn't have the money. I would be there even if the sound degraded next year. All of us need to support the activity....the corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted December 6, 2009 Share Posted December 6, 2009 can you explain why we have so many balance issues inside and out then when it comes to the pits volumes? Sure can. Untrained sound techs, lack of communication up top, the wrong equipment...it's a long list :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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