Would you walk away if DCI shows were like in the 80s and 90s

[WOOHOO]

Words mean something. I can't possibly be expected to understand what you think, if your words don't match your belief. If you made a mistake, and want to retrack your thinking, then simply do so. Then we'll know what you think more precisely without any confusion for either yourself or the reader.

Corps were not " homogenized " in the 60's, 70's, either. The CMCC Warriors would never be confused with the Garfield Cadets, nor the De LaSalle Oaklands with the Hawthorne Muchachos, or the the Caspar Troopers, with the Velvet Knights, Blessed Sacrament, Bronx Kingsmen, SC Vanguard,, Boston, Kilties, St. Ignatius All Girl, or Madison Scouts,,and so forth. There was much " diversity ". Nothing was " homogenized " or " identical " in style, scope, shows, etc....... AT ALL. These Corps were VASTLY different from one another in style.

I don't mean to be terse, but why in the world do you keep putting words in my mouth? I never actually mentioned a specific era that I was talking about.

Edited September 27, 2010 by WOOHOO

[chasgroh]

I don't mean to be terse, but why in the world do you keep putting words in my mouth? I never actually mentioned a specific era that I was talking about.

...terse???

cg

[WOOHOO]

...terse???

cg

LOL substitute one "n" for "r", and people get upset I don't feel like changing it.

[kickhaltsforlife]

I know what the names of the tunes are. but there is so much wind ensemble stuff, and to be honest, the real issue is arranging style.

BOOM

More specifically arranging style that is too heavily influenced by the visual design.. visual designs that IMO are becoming to much about color guard staging.. leaving musician staging in the dust... and the music as a whole SUFFERS. Even Crown ####ed up with this one. And there is too much going on in most shows.. which turns more people off from a show then on. To entertain the audience should not have to think about a show, or see it every week of the season to finally get it the last couple of weeks and finally be entertained. I want to be entertained from the beginning.. and then keep adding in effect as the season goes on... and a "character" moment is not the effect I want. I want my ears to bleed.

[blueorginal]

On 1 Condition.....NO BIG HAIR on the guard :)

[ContraRich77]

OP...you're kidding...right?!? Two words: MORE CORPS!!

One last thing...would play jazz again??? My entire answer depends on the answer to that question. Heck...I'd even settle for Tommy--they did Godfather recently, I'll take me sum Tommy!! They're repeating their previous music, so, give us some Tommy!!

Nothing makes me happier than when I read love for our Tommy show on here in this day and age............boy did I love performing that show!

[chasgroh]

LOL substitute one "n" for "r", and people get upset I don't feel like changing it.

...that's fine, but your response tells me that you don't care how people "read" you. If that's the way you want it, great, but a small amount of care will afford you *much* better communication...the fact that "n" is on the RIGHT hand and "r" on the LEFT notwithstanding... ;-D

cg

Edited September 27, 2010 by chasgroh

[perc2100]

Seeing a lot of people talk about how much they hate DCI right now, I'm just wondering how many would walk away if it looked and felt like it did in the 80s and 90s.

I wouldn't walk away, but I probably wouldn't be as enthusiastic as I am now. Shows from the 80's & 90's would be a significant step backwards as far as difficulty level, though they are "exciting" in a different way. While SCV 87 is one of my all-time favorite shows, their 06 show was pretty unappealing to me, and woefully missed the mark, IMO, in comparison to the 87 show. Holy Name in 09 was a good show, but I didn't like it as much as 94, a show I liked less than 84.

Part of what made the shows from the 80's & 90's so great (IMO), is that they were innovative for their time. Doing retreads at this point feels like a tired attempt to latch on to previous success from designers either out of touch with modern trends or unwilling to push their membership to modern capabilities. Scouts proved this year that a corps can have moderate success with a throw-back type show designed with modern ideals. While I think Scouts '10 played it safe, they achieved their goal (similar can be said regarding SCV 09).

Personally I like drum corps where it's at, and you can argue that several shows in 2010 were designed with a 'wink' to the 80's or 90's. I'd put Cadets (a TOTAL throw-back to old school Vanguard IMO), SCV (many compared it to Star 93), BAC (that show felt like late 80's/early SCV to me visually, with a dash of 90's Phantom musically), Scouts, and Blue Knights (both of those VERY obvious). That's five designs from the Top 12 that seemed reminiscent of the 80's/90's to me. Add to those shows very much in the modern design, like Cavaliers, Blue Devils, Bluecoats, Blue Stars, Glassmen, and then even a few shows that seemed to fit right in mid/early 90's - now such as Phantom and Crown, and I think we have a pretty diverse line-up of show designs.

Just like we've always had in DCI.

Of course, I've heard similar complaints when I marched in the mid/late 90's, when I was in the stands in the early 90's as a fan, and in the late 80's watching PBS with older drum corps fans. Through out the history of DCI people have alway thought drum corps was better the last decade: it's almost like the annual "Saturday Night Live sucks now and was so much funnier during the 'fill-in-the-blank' era." The one constant of our activity (and life) is that things change, and people complain.

[JimFoster]

I wouldn't walk away, but I probably wouldn't be as enthusiastic as I am now. Shows from the 80's & 90's would be a significant step backwards as far as difficulty level, though they are "exciting" in a different way. While SCV 87 is one of my all-time favorite shows, their 06 show was pretty unappealing to me, and woefully missed the mark, IMO, in comparison to the 87 show. Holy Name in 09 was a good show, but I didn't like it as much as 94, a show I liked less than 84.

Part of what made the shows from the 80's & 90's so great (IMO), is that they were innovative for their time. Doing retreads at this point feels like a tired attempt to latch on to previous success from designers either out of touch with modern trends or unwilling to push their membership to modern capabilities. Scouts proved this year that a corps can have moderate success with a throw-back type show designed with modern ideals. While I think Scouts '10 played it safe, they achieved their goal (similar can be said regarding SCV 09).

Personally I like drum corps where it's at, and you can argue that several shows in 2010 were designed with a 'wink' to the 80's or 90's. I'd put Cadets (a TOTAL throw-back to old school Vanguard IMO), SCV (many compared it to Star 93), BAC (that show felt like late 80's/early SCV to me visually, with a dash of 90's Phantom musically), Scouts, and Blue Knights (both of those VERY obvious). That's five designs from the Top 12 that seemed reminiscent of the 80's/90's to me. Add to those shows very much in the modern design, like Cavaliers, Blue Devils, Bluecoats, Blue Stars, Glassmen, and then even a few shows that seemed to fit right in mid/early 90's - now such as Phantom and Crown, and I think we have a pretty diverse line-up of show designs.

Just like we've always had in DCI.

Of course, I've heard similar complaints when I marched in the mid/late 90's, when I was in the stands in the early 90's as a fan, and in the late 80's watching PBS with older drum corps fans. Through out the history of DCI people have alway thought drum corps was better the last decade: it's almost like the annual "Saturday Night Live sucks now and was so much funnier during the 'fill-in-the-blank' era." The one constant of our activity (and life) is that things change, and people complain.

Outstanding points! Well said.

[84skyrydr]

I think that if you look at your own quote in your signature, you'll be able to conclude that it's possible to like both 80s/90s and today's shows at the same time.

Actually my quote asks if we can like the shows both ways. I don't know that we can, but it seems that two polls have proven we can't.

Edited September 27, 2010 by 84skyrydr