GUARDLING Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Well, I assume that we all start with the fundamental premise that ALL of judging is " subjective ". The judges afterall are all judging completely dissimilar shows and performances. So I see no real difference from adding a " Entertainment Judge " to a grouping that includes for example a current " Visual General Effect " judge. If a criteria is set for effect and followed and understood....which it usually isn't,, then it can be measurable.....entertainment I don't believe can be measured . Many people would consider DCA still entertaining.. I may not, HOW will you measure entertainment by a standing O? if thats the case that totally doesnt mean the better corps will win thats for sure. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BozzlyB Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 To me this just sounds like more subjectivity added to an already subjective judging process. Entertainment judge? Based on what, their opinion? Their assessment of crowd reaction? I like the idea of Cesario's "meetings" with "liasons" even less. This smacks of "this is how I would have judged that, you're not doing it right..." etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hrothgar15 Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 To me this just sounds like more subjectivity added to an already subjective judging process. Entertainment judge? Based on what, their opinion? Their assessment of crowd reaction? Someone just needs to formulate a list of what musical and visual elements of a drum corps show are entertaining, why they are entertaining (down to the mathematical level), and then judge how well corps use them, while normalizing for the distribution of audience taste. Not that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tariq.shah Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 what it's all about. My link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Brace Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Does his position involve bathing in chocolate again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsEVOL Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Yay Cesario! Change We Can Believe In! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russellrks Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 This sounds to me a lot like the role that, imo, Don Angelica used to fill back in the day, except he was the 6 liaisons AND Cesario all wrapped into one person. And as messed up as that may sound, I believe the activity was the better for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmlkmen Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 (edited) There was something Lewis Black said once, that made me think, "spot on" when I heard it: We know its good music when we are sitting in a bar and that song comes on. We say to ourself "S.O.B..I remember I was there when...?!". Its a difficult task to judge a crowds meter...and Cesario has a tough task in this position. I do think its a needed position. But finding that bridge between emotional connections and memories (like the guy in the bar)- with what the corps want with progression in music. How to appease all parties? The hardest thing for him I think, is the need to make some bottom line decisions and, in his own right creating a standard in his remarks. Its a complex world he is working in Almost like trying to be a campaign manager for a president. You have to delve into the thinking of various groups of people, and figure it out. If he can manage that, and make sense of it all to the rest of us- then win. Oh..and he should bring in Mark Sylvester. Give him an assistant position. I believe this will help. Edited December 10, 2010 by Dmlkmen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tariq.shah Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Does his position involve bathing in chocolate again? "And those baritones!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpaul Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 There was something Lewis Black said once, that made me think, "spot on" when I heard it: We know its good music when we are sitting in a bar and that song comes on. We say to ourself "S.O.B..I remember I was there when...?!". Its a difficult task to judge a crowds meter...and Cesario has a tough task in this position. I do think its a needed position. But finding that bridge between emotional connections and memories (like the guy in the bar)- with what the corps want with progression in music. How to appease all parties? The hardest thing for him I think, is the need to make some bottom line decisions and, in his own right creating a standard in his remarks. Its a complex world he is working in Almost like trying to be a campaign manager for a president. You have to delve into the thinking of various groups of people, and figure it out. If he can manage that, and make sense of it all to the rest of us- then win. Oh..and he should bring in Mark Sylvester. Give him an assistant position. I believe this will help. The fact that you have a strong emotional connection to a song doesn't make it a great song. It makes it a great song for you. I may hate that song. That's where the whole "entertainment/emotion" thing gets tricky. Personal example: I hate company fronts. I'm bored to tears because they're all the same and you know before it starts what it's going to be. Yet I watch stadiums full of people stand up and cheer for them every year. Am I wrong because I don't agree with the masses? No. I'm just "entertained" by different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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