Jeff Ream Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Also, I just watched the 1998 performances of SCV, Blue Devils, and Cavaliers, and again am utterly perplexed by this claim, as I heard lovely, musical sounds from the pit in all three corps, and very prominently from the '98 Cavaliers, whose show includes many beautiful shimmery moments from the keyboard percussion -- and the DVD has a fair number of close-up shots of the pit, where no one seems to be hitting their instruments particularly hard. 00-03 Cavies...easily best unamped pits ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 00-03 Cavies...easily best unamped pits ever Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 00-03 Cavies...easily best unamped pits ever The mantra at the time was that it was necessary to learn and use an outdoor technique. That was the important factor in getting a good sound out of those instruments at all volumes. It now seems that the mantra is add more members & instruments, crank it the volume up to 12, and bang away using indoor techniques! Yes, I'm being overly dramatic! Of course there's a thought: " If you can't win the game, then change the game to one that you can win". This seems to be what has happened here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) > names do matter and help convey meaning and distinction, so if an organization is named in a particular fashion, they better have an argument to back up why they call themselves what they do. NASCAR is an acronym for National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing. Those vehicles have not had any "stock" parts on them since the 1970's. However, they kept the acronym to honor where they came from and for cohesive identification. Much like the title Drum & Bugle Corps has stayed intact throughout the history of DCI even though there are no more bugles. This seems appropriate as even though the " stock Cars " that go around the track have been modified. They are still " cars " however. What if however, this sport allowed horses into the sport ? A case could be made that although they are not in the automobile realm, they would appropriate because they also go around a track. A " brass instrument " in Drum Corps may not be anything like a flute, saxophone, or a guitar, but they are in fact musical instruments and they have been used before on a football field in competition with brass and percussion instruments. How would the " stock car " community feel about bringing into their sport another entity that goes around a track ? Such as a" horse" ? If the" horse" was allowed into the sport would they still call this " stock car racing "? Or would they now be compelled to change the name altogether ? And a final question : how safe would a horse proponent be if they suggested that horses be allowed to be brought into the sport of " stock car racing" as a naturally evolutionary blending of two sports that have things go around a circular track in a competitive quest to cross a finish line first ? Edited January 14, 2011 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) This seems appropriate as even though the " stock Cars " that go around the track have been modified. They are still " cars " however. What if however, this sport allowed horses into the sport ? A case could be made that although they are not in the automobile realm, they would appropriate because they also go around a track. A " brass instrument " in Drum Corps may not be anything like a flute, saxophone, or a guitar, but they are in fact musical instruments and they have been used before on a football field in competition with brass and percussion instruments. How would the " stock car " community feel about bringing into their sport another entity that goes around a track ? Such as a" horse" ? If the" horse" was allowed into the sport would they still call this " stock car racing "? Or would they now be compelled to change the name altogether ? And a final question : how safe would a horse proponent be if they suggested that horses be allowed to be brought into the sport of " stock car racing" as a naturally evolutionary blending of two sports that have things go around a circular track in a competitive quest to cross a finish line first ? Your "horse" analogy is rather fitting but not in a way you think. Auto engines are rated as "horse power" even though there are no horses under the hood; this indicates that definitions change as time moves forward and that we can still pay tribute to the past while changing things up for the future. Also, even though I would not like woodwinds in drum corps, IMO adding woodwinds to drum corps would more equate to adding a roll cage, sway bars, weight jacks, and other items that do not come standard on a "stock" car. Edited January 14, 2011 by Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Your "horse" analogy is rather fitting but not in a way you think. Auto engines are rated as "horse power" even though there are no horses under the hood; this indicates that definitions change as time moves forward and that we can still pay tribute to the past while changing things up for the future. Also, even though I would not like woodwinds in drum corps, IMO adding woodwinds to drum corps would more equate to adding a roll cage, sway bars, weight jacks, and other items that do not come standard on a "stock" car. When one adds or deletes things to a car, under the hood, under the seats, wherever or whatever, at the end of the day, it is still a " car ". When we add a rock guitar to a Drum Corps show, the musical unit that does so is no longer a " Drum and Bugle Corps ". It would be unfair to both the " Drum and Bugle Corps " as well as this new musical marching incantation to state that this is a " Drum and Bugle Corps". They are not. Change has come. So with the change, must come a change in the name as well. To retain the name, while adopting totally unrelated instrumentation would be both silly as well as imprecise and inaccurate. The activity now requires a new name. Otherwise, we're stuck in the past that we seem to agree we need to run from and evolve into something else. Edited January 14, 2011 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 When one adds or deletes things to a car, under the hood, under the seats, wherever or whatever, at the end of the day, it is still a " car ". When we add a rock guitar to a Drum Corps show, the musical unit that does so is no longer a " Drum and Bugle Corps ". It would be unfair to both the " Drum and Bugle Corps " as well as this new musical marching incantation to state that this is a " Drum and Bugle Corps". They are not. Change has come. So with the change, must come a change in the name as well. To retain the name, while adopting totally unrelated instrumentation would be both silly as well as imprecise and inaccurate. The activity now requires a new name. Otherwise, we're stuck in the past that we seem to agree we need to run from and evolve into something else. As long as you are consistent with your reasoning you will have a valid argument. So, to be consistent in the use of your logic, your opinion would also have to apply to when we add a marimba, vibraphone, bells, and xylophone (especially if they are grounded) because the musical unit that does so is no longer a "Drum and Bugle Corps" but actually a "Percussion and Bugle Corps". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 How would the " stock car " community feel about bringing into their sport another entity that goes around a track ? Such as a" horse" ? If the" horse" was allowed into the sport would they still call this " stock car racing "? Left turn.... left turn... oats break....left turn.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownThunder Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 just bring back the G bugles. i think that's what this thread is REALLY getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 just bring back the G bugles. i think that's what this thread is REALLY getting at. that would be slightly better than adding woodwinds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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