supersop Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 When Star won I remember the day after...wow people moaning and leaving the activity.........NOW Look how people consider what Star was......including many who disliked them I used that as an example earlier in the thread and got railed lol. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 So what is it that drives peeps crazy about what the Blue Devils are doing? In general, there are 2 philosophies at odds with each other. I think... Team A - These peeps are more drill conscious with the emphasis being on what THEY have been taught, experienced, and genuinely believe as demand/content. High velocity whiplash drill. Forms. Playing while executing this physically demanding drill. It might be dirtier but the overall effect is worth sacrificing a little clarity. A little clarity. These peeps are going to call BS on the drill BD does. They do NOT consider what BD is doing to be demanding. Read the thread - they say it plenty of times. Why do they do this? Because, TO THEM, it isn't demanding. They laugh loudly when peeps say BD could march a show like Crowns 2012 show. Is it true? Maybe. Maybe not. We may never know. Team B - These peeps tout the more intellectual aspect of BD programing. That's what THEY have been taught, experienced, and genuinely believe. They focus on the individual performer. The demands placed on them. They proclaim that the music and drill being clean is a result of superior programing. Layering. Excellent execution. They state that they could march a high velocity drill but their show is so superior in programming that they don't need to. Why fly around the field when it isn't needed. The sheets don't say it is. Who's right? Trick question... there's no right answer - just preference. Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. yeah but you told me Obi Wan killed my father...in a manner of speaking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I used that as an example earlier in the thread and got railed lol. I agree with you wholeheartedly. lol...but its true.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbrassboy Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 you can engage even if they are not throwing babies. there's many ways to engage an audience. granted this, like every BD show since 08 isn't my cup of tea, but it can and does engage many So then exactly 'how' is this engagement determined and measured by the judges? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) I get the feeling everyone wants BD to be 88 Suncoast Sound. A bit more balanced yet still cerebral, thought provoking and demanding as they already are. This was a controversial show back then .. but enjoyed by most. It was dirty as sin, but a great show nonetheless. Maybe it's just me thinking that. If BD's talent did a show like 88 Suncoast .. they would still win. I think in the end, it would make the fans who want a more conventional drill design a bit more happy. Not that Suncoasts drill that year was conventional for the time .. but it's accepted now. What happens 20 years from now when '12 BD's design is considered conventional? What will fans be asking for then? Times change, conventional wisdom changes, design changes, what's considered demand changes .... it's nice to have what we know ... with a splash of what we don't get to challenge us. What most are complaining about is that they don't get it at all .. they're being challenged TOO MUCH. It's more a statement about themselves than the corps. Go back and watch the feed several times. Watch them move .. listen to them play ... take a deeper look. Change your mindset to being in the 10th row .. or the upper deck .. or in the box with each read. This is the first time most of us have seen BD's show ... and they heard what they didn't want to hear .. saw what they didn't want to see .. and way too much of it. With that .. they've written it off as more DCI BS. C'mon people .. challenge yourselves a little bit. I have seen it online now 2 times on the move and once standing still. I've challenged myself. I get it. I just don't like it. But...is it a crime if people don't want to get it? they just want to go to a show and see and hear what they like? That they may o to drum corps to escape, not to educated? And I get that point of view. But by telling people to challenge themselves, as you do is turn more off Edited July 18, 2012 by Jeff Ream 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I am in total agreement with you, but DCI doesn't seem to be too interested in posting that part of the recap sheet (the back). Both sides of the sheet are out in public. The recap doesn't have a back, unless they changed that this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsubone Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I used that as an example earlier in the thread and got railed lol. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Then maybe the Blue Devils should branch out from DCI and do their own stage show to compete against Star on Broadway? Then they can do whatever kind of "production" they want to do 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 So then exactly 'how' is this engagement determined and measured by the judges? Engagement means it can suck you in and make you think. Maybe you will have a negative reaction, but you still had a reaction. Effect doesnt always have to be ahppy sunshine babies burning as they fly through the air. Look, I'm not a fan of the show. I think it's faux intellectualism as Cesario referred to stuff like this at the Januals. But....here's what many aren't getting. by examining and looking for flaws....you're being engaged. if you didn't care, win lose or 4th, you wouldn't be looking for stuff to ##### about or care. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Then maybe the Blue Devils should branch out from DCI and do their own stage show to compete against Star on Broadway? Then they can do whatever kind of "production" they want to do PSSSTTTTT..they can do whatever they want to now.....and so can all the other corps.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatbrassboy Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Both sides of the sheet are out in public. The recap doesn't have a back, unless they changed that this year. The back of each sheet has the breakdown of the areas of adjudication, and a scale that the judge uses to grade how consistently (rather, how frequently) the caption (GE, visual ensemble, visual proficiency, ensemble music, drums, brass, guard, etc) performs in the elements detailed on the sheet. I imagine that judges make notes and comments, but most of that is on tape (or mp3 these days). All we see is the final number for the two subcaptions. Highest score "wins" that caption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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