burgerbob Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The first two World Class judging sheets are General Effect Visual and General Effect Music. On both of those pages, the first bullet point under the heading "Repetoire Effect" reads "Audience Engagement", and the first bullet point under the heading "Performers" reads "Performers Engage the Audience". Now, as you indicate, there's lots more to be considered. Which is only on the new sheets, correct? And looking at this thread, I'd say there's plenty of people that love the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 The first two World Class judging sheets are General Effect Visual and General Effect Music. On both of those pages, the first bullet point under the heading "Repetoire Effect" reads "Audience Engagement", and the first bullet point under the heading "Performers" reads "Performers Engage the Audience". Now, as you indicate, there's lots more to be considered. Correct. You left out the fact that audience engagement doesn't mean "audience appeal" or "entertainment value". I haven't seen one anti-BD poster try and make a successful argument that Devils aren't engaging the heck out of everyone. Especially DCP posters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truman Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Check your PM. You were helpful and gracious the first time we met in PA, let me return the favor. Awesome! I replied...quite a little tour I am putting together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Correct. You left out the fact that audience engagement doesn't mean "audience appeal" or "entertainment value". I haven't seen one anti-BD poster try and make a successful argument that Devils aren't engaging the heck out of everyone. Especially DCP posters. I didn't leave anything out: I quoted the sheet verbatim. That the sheets are rather coy as to the definition of "engagement" is certainly worthy of more discussion, I agree. However, I have in fact seen a few comments on DCP pointing out that to be bored or confused by BD's show --and to come here to ask why the judges were scoring so highly a show that some find boring or confusing-- is not to be engaged by it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Correct. You left out the fact that audience engagement doesn't mean "audience appeal" or "entertainment value". I haven't seen one anti-BD poster try and make a successful argument that Devils aren't engaging the heck out of everyone. Especially DCP posters. Engaging adjective 1. winning; attractive; pleasing: an engaging smile. engage[ en-geyj ] verb (used with object) 1. to occupy the attention or efforts of (a person or persons): He engaged her in conversation. Not exactly. Engaging does mean pleasing and attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euphplayer07 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Does "engagement" have to mean a standing ovation or screaming? The first two World Class judging sheets are General Effect Visual and General Effect Music. On both of those pages, the first bullet point under the heading "Repetoire Effect" reads "Audience Engagement", and the first bullet point under the heading "Performers" reads "Performers Engage the Audience". Now, as you indicate, there's lots more to be considered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorHal Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 At Denton Thursday and SA last night--I was at both shows on the 50--the Blue Devils did not engage the audience. At the end of their performances, they got about as much applause as Forte. Polite. Unenthusiastic. No standing O. I'm not saying BD does not deserve their scores. But it's beyond obvious that this activity is all about the designers and the judges, which are basically the same community. The corps that got the most overwhelming audience reaction on Sat. in SA was Jersey Surf recreating the Bridgemen 30 years later. Huge responses multiple times throughout their performance and a standing O during the final portion. Technically, Surf's show doesn't begin to compare to most of the corps above them. But the difference in audience reaction was pretty stunning. The only other corps, day or night, that got a standing O well before their performance ended was Madison in response to the rotating pinwheel & company front. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flammaster Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 I think the Blue Devils are selfish. In a time when we want to improve the fan base; entertain the crowd, they want to do just what it takes to win. They are one of the best executing corps ever, but if every corps did this, there would be only the music majors, philosophy majors, and die hard drum corps fans in the seats. Why won't corps realize who comes to shows, and create shows that are appealing to them, and not something that is rewarding to themselves and the judges. If you are honest with yourself, and listened to the applause meter, BD didn't get a round of applause that was commensurate with their 1st place show, and this has happened many times in the past. It feels like; let the other corps bring in the fans, and we will do a show that wins - popular or not, we don't care. I will lead the charge for the BDs when it comes to the quality of the members, but have to question their choice of material in their shows just to win and put the paying fans second. NO you are the selfish one! Why do you think that just because some people want Johnny comes marching home and endless company fronts and people playing air guitar that everyone is being represented when they are not? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 Perhaps I am in the minority of people who don't hate the show but disagree about it's placement. Specifically it's effect, brass, ensemble visual and guard scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted July 23, 2012 Share Posted July 23, 2012 NO you are the selfish one! Why do you think that just because some people want "Johnny Comes Marching Home" and endless company fronts and people playing air guitar, that everyone is being represented when they are not? Would you be pleased or disappointed if every corps' show was more like "Cabaret Voltaire" and less like "12.25", "Turandot", or "For the Common Good"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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