xandandl Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 requiem meam doleat Some corps played that in Ought Four. Just check corpsreps, ha, ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Actually, the founding fathers went out of their way to keep religious influence out of the Constitution. They understood that only society and man-made law could grant rights, and they worked really hard to spell those rights out (taking them several tries and the Bill of Rights to get it correct). No one here is making fun of your beliefs. We;re just pointing out that those beliefs have absolutely no bearing on any of the rights you're granted as a US citizen, and that includes copyright. To keep 'religion' from driving government in the United States, yes. For example, the Founders were fighting against the practice in England where you had to be a member of the Church of England (i.e. religion) to even vote. And it is a misnomer for someone today to believe that the United States is, or ever was, a Christian Nation. But there is a vast difference between 'religion' and a believe in the Divine as the source, and the Founders never intended to divorce this nation from the belief in the Divine as the bedrock in which all governance and laws stand on. They subscribed to the ideals of the philosophy of Enlightenment, and while there were hot debates among the Founders concerning how to govern, there was no real contention over the common thread they all had which was the guidance on the Divine as being the bedrock for this nation. If you have not done so please read the following two volumes; it covers all writings, speeches, and debates the Founders had surrounding the drafting of the Constitution: The Debate on the Constitution: Federalist and Antifederalist Speeches, Articles, and Letters during the struggle over Ratification (part one Sept 1787 - Feb 1788); and (part two Jan - Aug 1788) Edited December 24, 2016 by Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) requiem meam doleat Latin should still be a requirement in all schools Anyway, my case was ratified in 1788 and was rested in 1790. The idea put forth in Article 1 Section 8 Clause 8 has never been repealed nor changed. The law has morphed over time, but that morphing is also what that clause allows. Edited December 24, 2016 by Stu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 To keep 'religion' from driving government in the United States, yes. For example, the Founders were fighting against the practice in England where you had to be a member of the Church of England (i.e. religion) to even vote. And it is a misnomer for someone today to believe that the United States is, or ever was, a Christian Nation. But there is a vast difference between 'religion' and a believe in the Divine as the source, and the Founders never intended to divorce this nation from the belief in the Divine as the bedrock in which all governance and laws stand on. They subscribed to the ideals of the philosophy of Enlightenment, and while there were hot debates among the Founders concerning how to govern, there was no real contention over the common thread they all had which was the guidance on the Divine as being the bedrock for this nation. If you have not done so please read the following two volumes; it covers all writings, speeches, and debates the Founders had surrounding the drafting of the Constitution: The Debate on the Constitution: Federalist and Antifederalist Speeches, Articles, and Letters during the struggle over Ratification (part one Sept 1787 - Feb 1788); and (part two Jan - Aug 1788) The founders felt there was no reason to divorce anyone from a belief in the divine, because they understood that there were vastly different way to believe (or not believe), and none of them had any bearing on a system of government built from the ground up to be secular. You should re-read those same sources you cite, because clearly you missed that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 The founders felt there was no reason to divorce anyone from a belief in the divine, because they understood that there were vastly different way to believe (or not believe), and none of them had any bearing on a system of government built from the ground up to be secular. You should re-read those same sources you cite, because clearly you missed that part. As it applies to 'church' and 'religion' that is correct; they wanted a nation built on the individual's freedom to, or not to, worship without interference or from the government or any government sanctioned religion. The letter Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptist Church concerning the separation between Church and State is often misquoted; if you read his response in its entirety he acknowledges that government must not take away from the "natural rights of man"; and that phrase has to be placed in context with where he, and the other Founders, believed our Natural Rights originate: God, Nature's God, Divine Providence, etc... In fact, take a trip to the Jefferson Memorial and read all the inscriptions; then try and say that he did not desire for our nation to be grounded, not on religion or church, but grounded on the belief that Divine Providence is where our nation draws its power. Those beliefs also permeate many of the writings the other Founders when referring to the foundation bedrock which provides us the ability to develop the governance of a nation. James Madison, John Adams, George Washington, Ben Franklin et al; while some were Deists, some were Protestant, some were Agnostic, some were Atheist (as it applies to their understanding of the word atheist); while all of them had some sort of individual 'religion', and did not want the government to force 'religion' or 'church' onto the people, they did, however, desire our nation to be built upon the Freedoms and Rights granted to us by God, Nature's God, and/or Divine Providence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 See the oppression inherent in the system!! (Monty Python) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsband Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 See the oppression inherent in the system!! (Monty Python) Blessed are the cheesemakers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsband Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Latin should still be a requirement in all schools Anyway, my case was ratified in 1788 and was rested in 1790. The idea put forth in Article 1 Section 8 Clause 8 has never been repealed nor changed. The law has morphed over time, but that morphing is also what that clause allows. I agree. Anyway I'm not diving in to this swamp. (which in the end is the only point I was making). There's a place for it and it isn't here. Posters here get offended enough over marching (or not marching) and playing noisemakers. And they'll shriek squeaks and squeals, racing 'round on their wheels. They'll dance with jingtinglers tied onto their heels. They'll blow their floofloovers. They'll bang their tartookas. They'll blow their whohoopers. They'll bang their gardookas. They'll spin their trumtookas. They'll slam their slooslunkas. They'll beat their blumbloopas. They'll wham their whowonkas. And they'll play noisy games like zoozittacarzay, A roller-skate type of lacrosse and croquet! And then they'll make ear-splitting noises galooks On their great big electro whocarnio flooks! Edited December 24, 2016 by corpsband 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Blessed are the cheesemakers! It wasn't meant to be taken literally. It refers to all manufacturers of dairy products 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I agree. Anyway I'm not diving in to this swamp. (which in the end is the only point I was making). There's a place for it and it isn't here. Posters here get offended enough over marching (or not marching) and playing noisemakers. And they'll shriek squeaks and squeals, racing 'round on their wheels. They'll dance with jingtinglers tied onto their heels. They'll blow their floofloovers. They'll bang their tartookas. They'll blow their whohoopers. They'll bang their gardookas. They'll spin their trumtookas. They'll slam their slooslunkas. They'll beat their blumbloopas. They'll wham their whowonkas. And they'll play noisy games like zoozittacarzay, A roller-skate type of lacrosse and croquet! And then they'll make ear-splitting noises galooks On their great big electro whocarnio flooks! Oh hell. Now you've done it - this is going to be the annual poetry in BD's show release / description this year. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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