flammaster Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 The majority of corps are better every year than the year previous. To move up in the rankings, a unit needs to be 'more-more-better' than the other units at their level. So they need to be betterer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 My first impression of watching the Crown show on youtube was....... Who are you and what did you do with Carolina Crown? Went to lunch then watched it again. I'm not sure what happened during that short hour, but my impression was completely upended. This IS Crown and once again they are putting forth a show that is both challenging to the audience and it's membership. I can't wait to see it live, but in the meantime I think I will watch it again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wesleyrp Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 So they need to be betterer? No..... Betterist!!;) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I feel sorry for the guys in these guards. Don't be, the majority will find them marvelous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrumManTx Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Looks like The Academy has gone with red for their tie color this year. Love those unis year in year out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim K Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 (edited) I'm not sure history bears out the idea that the 12th place and 13th place corps were traditionally more clearly distinct from each other in quality than they are now. Let's take a closer look. Here, according to CorpsReps, are the relevant prelim/semi scores: 1978 12 -- 79.950 -- Kilties 13 -- 79.200 -- Freelancers Difference: 0.750 1979 12 -- 81.900 -- Troopers 13 -- 81.700 -- Crossmen Difference: 0.200 1980 12 -- 79.350 -- North Star 13 - 77.050 -- Blue Stars Difference: 2.300 1981 12 -- 80.050 -- Freelancers 13 -- 79.850 -- North Star Difference: 0.200 1986 12 -- 85.900 -- Troopers 13 -- 85.600 -- 27th Lancers Difference: 0.300 2011 12 -- 86.500 -- Spirit of Atlanta 13 -- 83.400 -- Glassmen Difference: 3.100 2012 12 -- 84.900 -- Crossmen 13 -- 84.600 -- Blue Stars Difference: 0.300 If we group these by decade, the 12th and 13th place corps were separated by an average of: 1972-1981 -- 0.835 1982-1991 -- 0.630 1992-2001 -- 1.200 2002-2011 -- 1.025 So the past decade shows more competition between 12th and 13th than during the decade before, but not as much as in the two decades 1972-1991. The smallest difference between 12th and 13th places, 0.000, i.e., a tie for 12th, was in 1977. The largest difference between 12th and 13th places, 3.100, came just two years ago! Great statistical info. You did your homework. Some years the difference between 12th and 13th is small point wise, but the ramifications can be huge. In 1978 many a fan was shocked to turn on PBS to watch finals and see Kilties had placed 12th. Most lists had BAC, Freelancers, Garfield, or perhaps Cavies in that spot. Don't ask a Crossmen alum from 1979 if he/she rejoiced when Troopers had a renaissance late in the season and made finals. In 1980 North Star just made finals, in 1981 I think they had a stronger show, but they placed 13th (they were on my prediction list as finalists both years). Some 27th Lancer alums still cite bus problems that meant less rehearsal time as the reason they could not fine tune some of their show and make finals in 1986, and if you look at how they placed that season, they're probably not all that far off the mark. Fast forward to 2011, I think it was pretty clear Spirit would return to finals and Glassmen would be 13th. In 2012, until Crossmen's score was announced, the debate was pretty fierce as to whether it would be Crossmen or Blue Stars. Action between 10-15 makes the season exciting. A corps surging to the top from behind also makes life interesting. We're already seeing what could end up being an interesting season after one four corps show. I will bet there's more than a few of us with egg on our faces today after reading about the show and hearing complimentary reports about the Blue Knights. All winter long we heard reports of poor recruitment, a show that people predicted would not be great, and a downward spiral after last year's show which was not, to be nice, everyone's favorite. Turns out the show may better than most expected and predictions may have to be revamped. There could be some other corps that will prove to be exciting, and perhaps a few "sure things" that will disappoint. Can't wait to get to a "movie theater near you" to see what Monday night brings and what the results of the West Coast shows will be. Edited June 20, 2013 by Tim K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 God i remember 88/89/90 when only eleventh and twelfth were high eighties It may be worth noting that only the top 6 corps broke 90 at Finals last year--the first time since 1996 that so few corps had done so. Maybe because last year was the first with the new sheets? But if that's the "new normal", then BK would have to do very well indeed, better than seventh, to achieve a score in the 90s. I would be delighted if they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacy Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I remember years like 95 where it was iffy if bk were going to make it or not You are absolutely right. It used to be that there was a big gap between 12 and 13, and all you had to do was be "good enough" to make it in (or hold your spot). But now we have about 6-7 corps that will be fighting for 11 and 12... and they're all good... because they have to be BETTER than last year's 12th place corps - or they will be left out. This is going to be a great year for Drum Corps!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flammaster Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 No..... Betterist!!;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricia-A BD/BK Mom Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 I'm not sure history bears out the idea that the 12th place and 13th place corps were traditionally more clearly distinct from each other in quality than they are now. Let's take a closer look. Here, according to CorpsReps, are the relevant prelim/semi scores: 1972 12 -- 78.550 -- St. Andrew's Bridgemen 13 -- 78.450 -- Garfield Cadets Difference: 0.100 1973 12 -- 76.550 -- Black Knights 13 -- 75.550 -- DeLaSalle Oaklands Difference: 1.000 1974 12 -- 79.400 -- Blue Stars 13 -- 76.950 -- Polish Falcon Cadets Difference: 2.450 1975 12 -- 79.600 -- Troopers 13 -- 79.000 -- Squires Difference: 0.600 1976 12 -- 83.500 -- Seneca Optimists 13 -- 82.750 -- Troopers Difference: 0.750 1977 12 -- 84.450 -- Garfield Cadets (tie) 12 -- 84.450 -- Kilties (tie) Difference: 0.000 (Kingsmen at 14 with 83.600) 1978 12 -- 79.950 -- Kilties 13 -- 79.200 -- Freelancers Difference: 0.750 1979 12 -- 81.900 -- Troopers 13 -- 81.700 -- Crossmen Difference: 0.200 1980 12 -- 79.350 -- North Star 13 - 77.050 -- Blue Stars Difference: 2.300 1981 12 -- 80.050 -- Freelancers 13 -- 79.850 -- North Star Difference: 0.200 1982 12 -- 83.100 -- Cavaliers 13 -- 81.100 -- Suncoast Sound Difference: 2.000 1983 12 -- 78.700 -- Sky Ryders 13 -- 78.600 -- Crossmen Difference: 0.100 1984 12 -- 85.900 -- Velvet Knights 13 -- 85.200 -- Troopers Difference: 0.700 1985 12 -- 85.900 -- Freelancers 13 -- 85.200 -- 27th Lancers Difference: 0.700 1986 12 -- 85.900 -- Troopers 13 -- 85.600 -- 27th Lancers Difference: 0.300 1987 12 -- 85.300 -- Sky Ryders 13 -- 84.700 -- Florida Wave Difference: 0.600 1988 12 -- 86.600 -- Sky Ryders 13 -- 86.400 -- Dutch Boy Difference: 0.200 1989 12 -- 85.800 -- Crossmen 13 -- 85.500 -- Dutch Boy Difference: 0.300 1990 12 -- 86.300 -- Dutch Boy 13 -- 85.400 -- Blue Knights Difference: 0.900 1991 12 -- 85.100 -- Sky Ryders 13 -- 84.600 -- Dutch Boy Difference: 0.500 1992 12 -- 84.000 -- Freelancers 13 -- 83.900 -- Glassmen Difference: 0.100 1993 11 -- 84.200 -- Colts / Glassmen (semifinal tie) 13 -- 83.100 -- Velvet Knights Difference: 1.100 1994 12 -- 83.000 -- Colts 13 -- 82.600 -- Boston Crusaders Difference: 0.400 1995 12 -- 81.900 -- Magic of Orlando 13 -- 81.300 -- Blue Knights Difference: 0.600 1996 12 -- 84.600 -- Blue Knights 13 -- 82.700 -- Glassmen Difference: 1.900 1997 12 -- 85.900 -- Carolina Crown 13 -- 84.100 -- Colts Difference: 1.800 1998 12 -- 86.900 -- Carolina Crown 13 -- 85.000 -- Magic of Orlando Difference: 1.900 1999 12 -- 85.200 -- Colts 13 -- 83.000 -- Bluecoats Difference: 2.200 2000 12 -- 85.150 -- Bluecoats 13 -- 84.950 -- Southwind Difference: 0.100 2001 12 -- 85.950 -- Colts 13 -- 84.050 -- Spirit from JSU Difference: 1.900 2002 12 -- 85.950 -- Seattle Cascades 13 -- 85.500 -- Blue Knights Difference: 0.450 2003 12 -- 85.500 -- Spirit from JSU 13 -- 85.350 -- Blue Knights Difference: 0.150 2004 12 -- 86.375 -- Glassmen 13 -- 86.300 -- Spirit from JSU Difference: 0.075 2005 12 -- 85.750 -- Spirit from JSU 13 -- 84.075 -- Colts Difference: 1.675 2006 12 -- 85.275 -- Spirit from JSU 13 -- 83.050 -- Colts Difference: 2.225 2007 12 -- 85.500 -- Spirit from JSU 13 -- 84.500 -- The Academy Difference: 1.000 2008 12 -- 86.375 -- Madison Scouts 13 -- 85.950 -- Crossmen Difference: 0.425 2009 12 -- 85.900 -- Troopers 13 -- 85.600 -- Colts Difference: 0.300 2010 12 -- 86.500 -- Glassmen 13 -- 84.650 -- Colts Difference: 0.850 2011 12 -- 86.500 -- Spirit of Atlanta 13 -- 83.400 -- Glassmen Difference: 3.100 2012 12 -- 84.900 -- Crossmen 13 -- 84.600 -- Blue Stars Difference: 0.300 If we group these by decade, the 12th and 13th place corps were separated by an average of: 1972-1981 -- 0.835 1982-1991 -- 0.630 1992-2001 -- 1.200 2002-2011 -- 1.025 So the past decade shows more competition between 12th and 13th than during the decade before, but not as much as in the two decades 1972-1991. The smallest difference between 12th and 13th places, 0.000, i.e., a tie for 12th, was in 1977. The largest difference between 12th and 13th places, 3.100, came just two years ago! I like seeing the Colts peppered in there so much; I hope to see them do great this year. Their show should prove to be very entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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