jjeffeory Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Completely agree with this. This show has tons of potential. Maybe they won't surge like 2010, but I don't have the uneasy feeling after watching this theater broadcast as I did last year. And even last year, I think they maxed out a regrettable design pretty well performance-wise. This show design is light years ahead of what they fielded last year. The visual package is Gainesian, I believe - Mitch Rogers knows what's up, and the theme naturally lends itself to some good geometric drill. (I felt that last year Hinshaw was trying to be the anti-Gaines, and it didn't work). My primary issue with the show is the muddled Drum Music section prior to the ballad. There was a lot of stuff going on there musically that didn't make sense to me. Maybe it was a performance thing. Opener and closers were outstanding and fit the theme perfectly. They'll clean and they'll finish in the top six. The show has a lot more potential than the folks they're competing with right now. I agree. Lots of potential. I see lots of talk on here about their demise. They will be okay either way. It's a good show and there's more to the corps than just placements. There are lots of wishful Debbie Downers on here wanting them to fail; that's what I see. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 (edited) I'm pretty sure he was the guard designer or caption head during the years mentioned, then started writing drill in 1998. Per the Cavaliers website: Who writes the Cavaliers' drill? Here are the drill writers over the Corps' history: 1948 The Cavaliers were formed 1949 Parades only 1950 First field show 1951-1952 Art Garikes/ Dick Snyder/ Glenn Hatton/ Sal Ferrera 1953-1954 Dick Folsum 1955 Sal Ferrera 1956 Earl Joyce 1957 -1968 Lenny Piekarski 1969-1972 Paul Litteau 1973 Scotty Wild 1974 Bob Hesner 1975 Bob Hesner/Tim Guare 1976 Steve Buglino 1977 Steve Buglino/ Bob Hesner 1978 Bob Hesner 1979 Gary Czapinski (rewrites by Ralph Pace) 1980-1981 Ralph Pace 1982-1983 Steve Brubaker 1984 Steve Brubaker (with help from Tim Guare) 1985-1989 Steve Brubaker 1990-1991 Steve Brubaker (with help from Greg Poklacki) 1992 Steve Brubaker/ Greg Poklacki/ Michael Gaines/ Jeff Fiedler/ Mitch Rogers/ Gordon Henderson/ Chris Marchetti/ 1993 Michael Gaines/ Mitch Rogers 1994 Mitch Rogers 1995 Greg Poklacki 1996 Greg Poklacki (rewrites by Pat Ruddy/Mike Tarr) 1997 Vince Noble 1998+: Michael Gaines Michael Gaines ( & Mitch Rogers) designed the drill in 1993. Michael Gaines took over for good in 1998. You'll notice that Mitch Rogers ( who is part of the visual design team this year) has been drill designer/co-designer with the Cavaliers in the past. Edited June 25, 2013 by jjeffeory 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thbassman Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I also expected a rough run from Akron. What I saw at the theater was bad.. for them. But that's all. They've got room to improve, but the show's cool. If we can see/hear the problems, so can they. They'll figure it out. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortAndFast Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I agree. Lots of potential. I see lots of talk on here about their demise. They will be okay either way. It's a good show and there's more to the corps than just placements. There are lots of wishful Debbie Downers on here wanting them to fail; that's what I see. I agree with you and kdaddy. The performance level isn't good, but the design of the show this year is miles better than 2012. Very much in line with Gaines' designs and a good fit for the group's identity. They're not going to win a medal with this show, but they're also not going to fall out of finals. If they clean it up and perform it, I could see them moving up a couple of places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsubone Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I have a feeling the robes are going to cause them problems in the visual department. There is a good reason we don't see corps with capes anymore. It creates way too much visual dirt, and I saw that same problem with Cavaliers. Every time they stopped moving or hit a form, the robes kept billowing around and made everything look cloudy and messy. I think they would be scoring better if they just marched without them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFr3aK Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 I have a feeling the robes are going to cause them problems in the visual department. There is a good reason we don't see corps with capes anymore. It creates way too much visual dirt, and I saw that same problem with Cavaliers. Every time they stopped moving or hit a form, the robes kept billowing around and made everything look cloudy and messy. I think they would be scoring better if they just marched without them. Not intending this comment to flame, or create a giant debate, but I see the exact same thing when I see the Blue Devils. Their leg cape is CONSTANTLY blowing past their drill spot creating a blur/fuzz in the drill sets. Why are they immune to this said "visual dirt"? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 This was brought up in the Sacramento thread so I figured I'd being it up in its own topic. The Cavies are struggling and by all accounts more than a year ago. Are they on a path to miss finals? We hear they have a young corps which if true at the least says their vets don't trust the system. Many Picked them to pop back into the top 5 but that doesn't seem likely. Are they destined to fall like Madison did when their staff and thinking changed so dramatically? Will they make the correct changes and pop back up like Phantom and SCV have done? I'm a huge Cavies fan but I fear the days of the dominant Cavies may not return or at the least will take awhile.... Thoughts? Wes P famine pestilence, other natural disasters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsubone Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Not intending this comment to flame, or create a giant debate, but I see the exact same thing when I see the Blue Devils. Their leg cape is CONSTANTLY blowing past their drill spot creating a blur/fuzz in the drill sets. Why are they immune to this said "visual dirt"? Maybe because it's more isolated, just being the single leg cape. The Cavaliers robe is full-length. Tonight, I couldn't even tell what kind of technique they were using with the robes, because all you could see was feet. I just remember the problems Crossmen went through with their capes in 2009, so I see the same thing happening here with Cavies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forevergreen Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Not intending this comment to flame, or create a giant debate, but I see the exact same thing when I see the Blue Devils. Their leg cape is CONSTANTLY blowing past their drill spot creating a blur/fuzz in the drill sets. Why are they immune to this said "visual dirt"? I think their marching technique sort of keeps you from noticing it so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forevergreen Posted June 25, 2013 Share Posted June 25, 2013 Maybe because it's more isolated, just being the single leg cape. The Cavaliers robe is full-length. Tonight, I couldn't even tell what kind of technique they were using with the robes, because all you could see was feet. I just remember the problems Crossmen went through with their capes in 2009, so I see the same thing happening here with Cavies. I agree with you(in thot the cape is a great idea-but not working for them). The cape makes them look dirtier. I think it also adds to much bulk under their uniform proper. I thought they looked cleaner (albeit still dirty) without the cape once they took it off. Interesting, they have some drill that is very similar towards the ending of Machine-just not done very well right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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