cixelsyd Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 No. They were moving instrumentation-wise in that direction when they first added a valve, or permitted percussion such as latin percussion and timpani. Note that I said "as a partner", which is a two-way street. Nice try. That is even more confusing. Now you think drum corps has been moving toward band ever since the D crook was added circa 1930. But you want me to believe that the motivation for most/all of DCI changes has been to partner with the band activity. Well, drum corps and band have been partnering ever since the 1920s (holding joint events, sharing design/instructional personnel and expertise), though admittedly, they have also competed with one another to an extent (for members, audience and financial support). Many of us here forget (or may not be aware) that we used to have a fairly substantial summer activity for competitive marching bands, involving circuits from coast to coast. How did these DCI changes partner with those bands? I do not recall band partnership being mentioned as rationale behind the replacement of the "tick" system with subjective evaluation, or the addition of a caption for colorguard. Do you see a link there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I'm not "cherry picking"...more kids march/compete today than ever. Drum corps and corps-style competitive marching band are two flavors of the same thing. There you go again. If drum corps and marching band were really the same thing, then there would be no changes DCI could have ever made to be more like marching band - if they already were marching band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 There you go again. If drum corps and marching band were really the same thing, then there would be no changes DCI could have ever made to be more like marching band - if they already were marching band. OK, now you're being semantical. Drum Corps = marching band; every marching band is NOT drum corps. I believe Mike is making an argument similar to saying Lady Gaga and the Foo Fighters both play pop music, but they are not exactly the same. The Ohio State University Marching Band now has almost the exact same instrumentation as drum corps (minus the front ensemble), yet they are not (anywhere near) a drum corps. Same idiom, different specifics 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Still, it would make no sense to suggest that DCI makes changes to become more like what they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 And at the same time, many youth activities have grown, too. WHICH ONES ARE THOSE? and which ones were the kind that support something like a drum corps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Plenty of youth activities have grown over the DCI era. Soccer. Lacrosse. Football, particularly at the lower age levels. Even cheerleading has spawned a sport of its own, apparently. And of course, participation in scholastic extracurricular activities has grown over that time period as well. That includes some of the above, as well as marching band and winter guard/percussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) Plenty of youth activities have grown over the DCI era. Soccer. Lacrosse. Football, particularly at the lower age levels. Even cheerleading has spawned a sport of its own, apparently. And of course, participation in scholastic extracurricular activities has grown over that time period as well. That includes some of the above, as well as marching band and winter guard/percussion. all things that didnt support the activity BITD........the youth activities of the past, are all but gone as well as many things that supported drum corps BUJT you did give fine examples WHY there are less in drum corps and support and how kids do have way more choices today Edited March 7, 2014 by GUARDLING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 all things that didnt support the activity BITD........the youth activities of the past, are all but gone as well as many things that supported drum corps BUJT you did give fine examples WHY there are less in drum corps and support and how kids do have way more choices today And some of those activities have grown over that time, despite being faced with more competing choices... and despite losing some of the civic organizations from which they drew support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) And some of those activities have grown over that time, despite being faced with more competing choices... and despite losing some of the civic organizations from which they drew support. when you talk sport programs...which also suffered and yes still alive ( yet so is drum corps ) maybe not what it was but its still here....and IMO it could have esily been gone many many years ago.....and the link between WGI or BOA and drum corps is a shaky one....in the decades I have taught I would say more than 90 % of WGI people ( members ) dont want anything to do with drum corps...Nor could many afford both anymore.......kids have to pick and choose now for many reasopns...although they want it all........not sure how we got on this ..lol..sorry Edited March 7, 2014 by GUARDLING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) Plenty of youth activities have grown over the DCI era. Soccer. Lacrosse. Football, particularly at the lower age levels. Even cheerleading has spawned a sport of its own, apparently. And of course, participation in scholastic extracurricular activities has grown over that time period as well. That includes some of the above, as well as marching band and winter guard/percussion. Warning: Central PA perspective Since 72 have seen soccer hit big time and fall back a good bit depending on side of the river. Football for youth got bigger and went back. Scouting was starting the free fall in the cities and building in suburbs bur burbs have gone back. Had a huge east side of the river Little League set up in the 60s but some are gone or having problems. Competitive marching band grew in number of bands as just starting out in 72. Again in the burbs as the city schools have seen the band drop badly in members and funding in one of the schools. Some schools might have implemented pay to play in sports but not sure if there yet. Again depends on the area.... Edited March 7, 2014 by JimF-LowBari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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