bill Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Joe, My thinking is, there would be more comfort for everyone if DCA judging actually HAD a high score and a low score to throw out in each, or most captions. A poster recently found fault with the guard number assigned at Scranton. Not sure that kind of complaint would happen with 3 judges in some, or all captions, for just the biggest event of the year. Yes, there still wouldn't be total purity in evaluation, and it would be more expensive, but it would get us even closer. Overall, I'm OK with what we have now. Use a rolling average; a present show's caption score added to the previous show's caption score divided by two = standing score. Next show use the already established "standing score" (caption related) adding present show's caption score divided by two in order to establish the newest "standing score". On and on to garner the seeding score. Hence the prelim line-up and "season" caption awards, for the championships all wrapped up in one. For championships either all captions should have simply one adjudicator, or every caption should have more than one adjudicator, as a suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDz Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Joe, <<snip>> Looking forward to reading about tonight's Clifton. Should be interesting. I assume you are now there. I spent the day with friends at Pocono Raceway and the Indy cars. Had it been available, I would have bought a broadcast of tonight's big drum corps show! You would think so, as I live about 5 miles from Clifton Stadium......however, we spent this week in Wildwood (LOVE the Fralinger String Band !!!) and just got home early evening........ (Next time my son-in-law signs a condo contract that involves 2 Saturdays without clearing the EXACT dates with me first, he will regret it) Imagine....Cabs in Wildwood while I'm at home and Cabs in Clifton while I'm in Wildwood..... no justice in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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N.E. Brigand Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I say 6 corps break 90 before Championships! Dunno. Looking quickly over the previous ten seasons, it appears that this is the first year since 2005 that no corps had scored 90 by the third-last regular-season weekend of the season (meaning Aug. 15-16 for this year). And in 2005, Buccaneers had scored 89 way back on July 30, two weekends earlier than they did this year. In 2005, just four corps would reach 90 before Championships, the others being Bushwackers, Statesmen, and Brigadiers. In every other year 2006-2014, at least one, often two, and sometimes three corps had already scored 90 or better by three weeks out. In 2009, four corps had scored 90 by now, but the number would only rise to five before Championships. Only twice in the past ten years have six corps reached 90 before Championships (2007 and 2008). So that's what recent precedent says. What does this year foretell? Two corps, Bucs and Cabs, are all but a lock to score 90 tomorrow. C2 is close enough that they comfortably should do so by next week. MBI has earned a regular-season 90 in every year since 2007, but this is the first season in that time that they've not yet had an official DCA score already, so we have no clear gauge. Still, maybe they'll come out tonight a higher score than any other corps this year has seen. (If not, they may not get a chance tomorrow, based on the forecast for St. Peter.) Fusion and Sabers would have to show a very fast rate of improvement since their last score to achieve 90 by Reading. CV would need to do astoundingly well, with tomorrow being their last pre-championship appearance (and dodging raindrops as well, although with better chance of a dry Saturday show than in Minnesota). Kidsgrove didn't reach 90 before DCA Finals in either 2010 or 2012, but who knows? Finally, Sunrisers' most recent score of 80.35 on Aug. 2, five weeks from championships, is actually better than what Bushwackers had on Aug. 3 last year (79.50), which was only four weeks from championships (because Labor Day was earlier). And Bush went on to earn a 90.10 on Aug. 23, improving more than ten points in just three weeks (before dropping a little at Championships). To sum up: there are all sort of possibilities either way. It should be very interesting to watch! Still not impossible, still not too likely. However, it does appear just barely within the realm of possibility that eight corps could reach 90 in Finals. As far as I can tell, that hasn't happened before in DCA (although there have been years in which seven corps scored 92 or better; I don't see that happening). There is also the slight possibility that every Open Class corps will score at least 80 by Prelims, which hasn't happened since 2010. It depends on how much Sky can improve over the next two weeks. And while Govenaires are highly unlikely to match White Sabers' score last year in Class A, they do have pretty good odds on beating their own best ever Finals score; they need only improve by more than 1.5 points from what they scored today. Edited August 23, 2015 by N.E. Brigand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron H Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Ummm, did you not even pay attention to the last two pages of this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbriggs Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 from Michael del Corso's feed Open Class:01 (02) - 91.70 (1) - Buccaneers02 (03) - 91.05 (1) - Caballeros03 (01) - 91.00 (3) - Minnesota Brass04 (04) - 88.90 (1) - Cadets205 (07) - 87.95 (2) - Atlanta CV06 (05) - 86.75 (1) - Fusion Core07 (06) - 86.40 (1) - White Sabers08 (08) - 81.95 (1) - Sunrisers09 (10) - 81.85 (2) - Carolina Gold10 (11) - 79.85 (1) - Hurricanes11 (09) - 79.25 (1) - Bushwackers12 (12) - 75.50 (1) - SkylinersClass A:01 (01) - 83.45 (3) - Govenaires02 (03) - 76.40 (2) - Alliance03 (02) - 75.10 (3) - Kilties04 (04) - 73.60 (3) - Chops, Inc05 (07) - 69.55 (2) - Cincinnati Tradition06 (05) - 67.30 (1) - Excelsior07 (06) - 64.75 (4) - Erie Thunderbirds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Ummm, did you not even pay attention to the last two pages of this thread? Ummm, I'm not sure what this post means, if (as appears) it's a response to me. Three corps (Bucs, Cabs, MBI) have reached 90. One more (C2) is sure to do so next week. Two others (Fusion, Sabers) have a very slight chance of doing so next week. A sixth (CV) would be more likely do so, but isn't competing next week. And one (Kidsgrove) is a complete unknown. All of this backs up what was written early Friday evening: It's not too likely that six corps will reach 90 before Championships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spandy Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share Posted August 23, 2015 Updated Rank - Latest Score - Date and Location of Latest Score (Change from, and date of previous score)Open Class: 1 - 91.70 - Reading Buccaneers - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+2.50 - 8/15) 2 - 91.05 - Hawthorne Caballeros - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+1.90 - 8/15) 3 - 91.00 - Minnesota Brass - 8/22 St Peter MN (+0.10 - 8/21) 4 - 88.90 - Cadets² - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+1.30 - 8/15) 5 - 87.95 - Atlanta CV - 8/22 Rockmart GA (+7.25 - 8/1) 6 - 86.75 - Fusion Core - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+1.50 - 8/15) 7 - 86.40 - White Sabers - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+2.30 - 8/15) 8 - 81.95 - Long Island Sunrisers - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+1.60 - 8/2) 9 - 81.85 - Carolina Gold - 8/22 Rockmart GA (+5.35 - 8/1) 10- 79.85 - Connecticut Hurricanes - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+3.95 - 7/25) 11- 79.25 - Bushwackers - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+1.50 - 8/15) 12- 75.50 - Skyliners - 8/22 Clifton NJ (+0.85 - 8/15) 13- 74.95** - Kidsgrove Scouts - 7/25 Leicester England (+1.00 - 7/4) Class A: 1 - 83.45 - Govenaires - 8/22 St Peter MN (+0.60 - 8/21) 2 - 76.40 - Alliance - 8/22 Rockmart GA (+3.85 - 8/1) 3 - 75.10 - Kilties - 8/22 St Peter MN (+0.30 - 8/21) 4 - 73.60 - Chops - 8/22 St Peter MN (+2.15 - 8/21) 5 - 69.55 - Cincinnati Tradition - 8/22 Rockmart GA (+11.80* - 8/3) 6 - 64.75 (0.2) - Erie Thunderbirds - 8/1 Racine WI 7 - 63.40 - Excelsior - 8/22 Clifton NJ (-3.90 - 8/2) *score from a DCI show **score from a DCUK/DCE show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 from Michael del Corso's feed [...] Class A: 01 (01) - 83.45 (3) - Govenaires 02 (03) - 76.40 (2) - Alliance 03 (02) - 75.10 (3) - Kilties 04 (04) - 73.60 (3) - Chops, Inc 05 (07) - 69.55 (2) - Cincinnati Tradition 06 (05) - 67.30 (1) - Excelsior 07 (06) - 64.75 (4) - Erie Thunderbirds Concerning the two I have bolded, I'm curious to know why: Excelsior is listed using their higher score of 67.30 from Schuylerville on Aug. 2 rather than their lower score of 63.40 from Clifton on Aug. 22 . . . BUT Cincinnati Tradition is listed using their lower score of 69.55 from Rockmart on Aug. 22 rather than their higher score of 70.55 from Racine on Aug. 1. It doesn't make a difference for the seeding order now, but since Excelsior has one more regular-season contest, if they score anywhere from 69.6 to 70.5 at Bridgeport, that would put them ahead of Cincinnati as listed but behind where Cincinnati ought to be shown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Windish Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Updated Appreciate your excellent work, Spandy! Plenty of high hopes going into the next 2 weeks it would seem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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