perc2100 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Obviously Copyright Law needs to be reformed... it's going beyond protecting rights, and is just a way to get more money. And the problem is not the original composers. Thankfully there is a movement for composers to self publish. As the benefits for a composer to go with a publishing company almost don't exist anymore. Unfortunately the majority of music is still tied up in these companies that are only in it to make a buck. Which hey... if it's legal, can't blame them. But one thing we can do is to get current artists to self publish. In the end it is more beneficial to everyone. You are not maintaining control over your property if you are giving up to these companies. John Mackey does it right. He is the perfect example of how to do it. (Although I would have probably hired someone to help me enforce stuff by now, haha). But back to my first sentence, copyright law needs to be reformed.. but honestly there are probably far more pressing issues that need reform right now... and who can trust our gov't to do much right anyway. Good luck with that; the lobbying budget for the RIAA (i.e. all of the record companies), the publishing industry, Disney, etc. FAR outweighs anything the education industry (who, to be blunt, has WAY more problems above copyright change on their To-Do list). What seems more likely, IMO, is for BOA, DCI, WGI, etc. to work to educate rights' holders on the benefits of releasing their rights. It shouldn't be an all-or-nothing in regards to free-vs-huge fee. This will obviously take time, and I suspect it would move at a glacier's pace. But I think that is far more likely to happen than changing copyright law in our benefit (it's also far more likely that copyright law will continue to change to big corporations' benefit, like Disney continually getting public domain time-line extended in order to protect/keep the rights of "Steam Boat Willy" forever) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohbaby Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Not many, if any. Which means moving forward, unless this issue is worked out, the non Finalist shows on the visual side will be lost forever to both the marchers, staffers in these Corps, as well as the public. It'l be like that show never even existed. Youtube takes DCI shows down and off their site all the time. Besides, nothing screams out " small time " than having to go outside an organization's marketing site itself in order to get the majority of recent video corps performances of its member Corps. If DCI is too small, doesn't have the financial resources, or legal means to now keep up with the legal demands of a new copywrite environment, and shifting times, then it is what it is, and thus a sad state to now find itself in. It appears that DCI has no good answers to this copywrite issue, and so its chances of future growth in future years seem a real longshot now, to me... especially for the non TOP 12 Corps. This stinks for all these Corps, and a real kick in the pants for them. It appears that DCI 's stored archives via Fan Network system of several hundred older shows once readily available for retrieval to alums and fans is now lost forever too. Its a shame. BUT.... as posters have said before repeatedly.... " things change, and evolve ". We just need to adapt and learn to be flexible as " things change & evolve " in DCI now, thats all. Perhaps if this is now the case, if a corps elected to have videos posted on their website or YouTube Channel, than you have a sample of these shows to relive. The corps generally are the ones that demand they be taken down. That being said, there are a ton of videos both present and old that are out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Within the last day or so, DCI released a FAQ on their website offering some more insight about the video copyright debacle and what DCI is doing about it. Unfortunately, it also included the following information about the 2015 DVD/Blu-Ray release: "Which corps will be featured on those products? This year Drum Corps International will feature performances of the top-25 corps from the DCI World Championship in Indianapolis on a four-disc CD set and the top-12 World Championship Finalists on a two-disc Blu-ray or two-disc DVD set. Can I get any corps other than the top-12 finalist corps on video? At this time, Drum Corps International will only be able to offer the top-12 finalist corps on Blu-ray and DVD. Some drum corps not on the finalist Blu-ray/DVD sets have decided to produce their own videos independently. Check with the specific corps if you are interested in a particular performance." Full article: http://www.dci.org/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=210577718&DB_OEM_ID=33500&mid=1079483548&ml=31165464 I understand there are many factors, but it doesn't change how unfortunate it is. I feel bad for those who may not be able to receive a video recording of their performance this year. I'll be that guy: this seems obvious, as for as much as many of us complain about that, I bet the non-Finals DVDs and Blu-rays don't sell very much. I'm almost surprised DCI was able to accommodate the non-Finalists as long as they have up until now. I'm personally excited that we'll get the Finalists on Blu-ray/DVD and if that means the non-Finalists aren't on the videos in order to benefit the Finalists, so be it. FWIW I marched in a non-Finalist corps, so this isn't coming from a holier-than-thou standpoint: more like a realistic one Edited December 14, 2015 by perc2100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perc2100 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Perhaps if this is now the case, if a corps elected to have videos posted on their website or YouTube Channel, than you have a sample of these shows to relive. The corps generally are the ones that demand they be taken down. That being said, there are a ton of videos both present and old that are out there... Well, corps can always make a video for "education purposes" that they don't distribute publicly. They can then, I think, distribute to the members at banquet or whatever after the season. I could be wrong about that, but I think there are options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Yeah, it's rough and I suspect that DCI designers will do EVERYTHING they can for competitive reasons. I know one corps a few years ago was using a sample in their show, doing really well competitively. They knew they would not have the sync rights for the sample to go on the DVDs, and had a member record the sample so they would be in the clear for rights issues. They were all set to go, and then Finals night didn't want to risk not having the original sample so they just used the original and never used the re-recorded version version. Of course, their show was edited on the DVD/Blu-ray release. Competitive edge > rights clearance. Which just goes back to my complaint: prerecorded material by non-corps members should not be rewarded. That's a mistake by the judges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Which just goes back to my complaint: prerecorded material by non-corps members should not be rewarded. That's a mistake by the judges. Why? If it is legal and effective it should be rewarded. The idea that it might impact a DVD should have no bearing on what a judge evaluates in a live setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 But that's an issue as well. Why should a designer have to be contained in a box? So someone can buy a DVD or CD? That's a good argument as well. But that attitude, and DCI's general unwillingness to engage with modern technology will also continue to ensure that DCI is the best activity that nobody but a handful of US band students has actually seen. (That said, I'm pretty sure, based on discussions that I've heard, had and read, that they're okay with that.) Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesmusic Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 That's a good argument as well. But that attitude, and DCI's general unwillingness to engage with modern technology will also continue to ensure that DCI is the best activity that nobody but a handful of US band students has actually seen. (That said, I'm pretty sure, based on discussions that I've heard, had and read, that they're okay with that.) Mike What do you mean by DCI not engaging in the use of modern technology, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroopAlum12 Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 That's a good argument as well. But that attitude, and DCI's general unwillingness to engage with modern technology will also continue to ensure that DCI is the best activity that nobody but a handful of US band students has actually seen. (That said, I'm pretty sure, based on discussions that I've heard, had and read, that they're okay with that.) Mike I really have to disagree that DCI is unwilling to use modern technology. According to my inside sources, the problem is that they ARE trying to upgrade, and that in turn has lead to increased exposure to copyright law and is triggering the problems we now have. DCI can't use the technology if they can't obtain the licenses to put their stuff on said technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Why? If it is legal and effective it should be rewarded. The idea that it might impact a DVD should have no bearing on what a judge evaluates in a live setting. I didn't say anything about DVD impact, but otherwise I should have been more clear. So I will be: It's not effective. When I hear a prerecorded voice used in drum corps, and particular a non-member's voice, my first thought is, "That would be more effective if it were (1) a member and (2) live". The fact that such recordings also are at risk of not appearing on the CD or DVD is incidental to my primary concern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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