JimF-LowBari Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said: No. The addition of adjudication tapes demonstrated a lack of consistency in defining 'ticks'. The move was made to go to a positive achievement based scoring method. The Tick system as it had become was no longer relevant or adaquate to meet the vision of adjudication. You do know we had both a tear down execution (tic) and a build up (positive achievement as you put it) BITD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Just now, Cappybara said: Good lord. I'm not sure how I can make this any clearer. Large errors, such as an ensemble tear or electronics issues that lead the audience and judges to not hear a portion of the performance and thereby have a significant affect on the effectiveness of the musical performance should have a visible negative effect on the GE and MA captions for that performance. Yes, I am not asking for small things such as an early entrance, a member reaching their spot a beat too late, or a trumpet frack during a solo to be penalized because I am NOT advocating for the tick system. I am advocating for issues that have significant effects on the "general effect" of the performance to be reflected on the sheets. I hope this clears things up for you. If not, I am done explaining, sorry. This is why the tick system is dead. It couldn't be defined. You are having some trouble being specific with your own definition of what constitutes a punitive error. Those are very general terms... how many seconds constitutes "significant effects"? Your vision looks like grading long division based on the point at which a single integer was misplaced. There's a reason why we don't use that system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Just now, cfirwin3 said: This is why the tick system is dead. It couldn't be defined. You are having some trouble being specific with your own definition of what constitutes a punitive error. Those are very general terms... how many seconds constitutes "significant effects"? Your vision looks like grading long division based on the point at which a single integer was misplaced. There's a reason why we don't use that system. That's because I'm not asking for that system to be used...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Just now, JimF-LowBari said: You do know we had both a tear down execution (tic) and a build up (positive achievement as you put it) BITD? yep the build up preceded the negative. What's your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cfirwin3 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) Just now, Cappybara said: That's because I'm not asking for that system to be used...? Only for certain types of electronic malfunctions that you define. Edited August 8, 2019 by cfirwin3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Just now, cfirwin3 said: Only for certain types of electronic malfunctions that you define. You did see I mentioned ensemble tears too, right? You are so laser-focused in on defending electronics that you are missing the forest for the trees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PamahoNow Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 minute ago, cfirwin3 said: Only for certain types of electronic malfunctions that you define. Some tics are more important than other tics. ... Didn't Boston do a show about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said: yep the build up preceded the negative. What's your point? “The move was made to go a positive achievement system” makes it sound like we did not have a build up system in place. how did one “precede” the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said: You said they should have been in the context of making an argument that corps are not. I did reiterate the truth... A factual truth (as we do not have a tick system... But an achievement award system)... Corps don't show up to get punitive scores. That's a fact. In some ways our differences are just semantics. Ticks were just one (quite subjective) way of measuring a failure to achieve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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