N.E. Brigand Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 6 hours ago, skevinp said: I’m not sure why you are trying to make it a contest. If auto accidents claim one less life than Covid-19, do all those lives just not matter? I'm not making it a contest. From the beginning of this disaster, there were people, here and elsewhere, who said we don't need to worry about this disease because more people die of the flu, or die in car accidents, or what have you. That's all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 7 hours ago, E3D said: Break out the cloth mask study that has a conclusion on the effectiveness with covid. Please post it up. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4873718/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28039289/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191114/ https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/jamp.2012.0998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Windish Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I predict much of this concern will subside about the second week of November. Maybe then, any discussion of ‘numbers management’ will be reserved for debates about DCI judging. 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: i wish them future thoughts and prayers My take on the SLC “meeting” was parents want have their side heard and followed.... but if anyone who tries to talk disagrees then we will boo them down to shut them up.... Great lesson for the kids.... meanwhile CDC reports 67k new cases and 947 deaths yesterday.... and some hospitals reporting full ICUs and asking for out of state medical staffs... someone tell me again how fractions of percentages make a difference Edited July 17, 2020 by JimF-LowBari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 9 hours ago, MikeD said: The thing is, while we discuss a national mandate for masks, the things you note are state mandates. The origins of the US left most laws up to the states on purpose. Does the federal government even have the ability to create a national law/rule for this? Even most education rules and policies are state-driven, not federal. I'm a bit of a history buff. When they were drafting the Constitution,one of the biggest concerns states had was a too powerful Federal Government taking away states' rights. Under the Constitution,the Federal Government's powers over states are actually quite limited. They've "stretched" their powers over the years,but its still limited. When this thing first started ,there were calls for the President to impose a national lock down. It was pointed out that,under the Constitution, he can't. Its up to each state. Same with states reopening or requiring masks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 They've been talking quite a bit about people who had Covid, getting reinfected. Happened to a guy my neighbor worked with. He got tested at work. Came back positive. Self quarantined for 14 days. No symptoms. Retested,negative. Went back to work. After a few weeks,he got really sick. Tested positive a second time. Didn't make it. Apparently, possible reinfection, isn't uncommon. There's an article about it in the " Nation's Health" section of today's The Record by John Bacon of USA TODAY. It won't link,but if you google his name it comes up. Currently there's only anecdotal evidence of reinfection. But it is significant enough that scientists are studying it to see if reinfections are occurring. The article says a second infection seems to be more serious then the first. The other "issue" is that,if reinfections are occurring,it really calls into question the ability to come up with an effective vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cappybara Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, rpbobcat said: They've been talking quite a bit about people who had Covid, getting reinfected. Happened to a guy my neighbor worked with. He got tested at work. Came back positive. Self quarantined for 14 days. No symptoms. Retested,negative. Went back to work. After a few weeks,he got really sick. Tested positive a second time. Didn't make it. Apparently, possible reinfection, isn't uncommon. There's an article about it in the " Nation's Health" section of today's The Record by John Bacon of USA TODAY. It won't link,but if you google his name it comes up. Currently there's only anecdotal evidence of reinfection. But it is significant enough that scientists are studying it to see if reinfections are occurring. The article says a second infection seems to be more serious then the first. The other "issue" is that,if reinfections are occurring,it really calls into question the ability to come up with an effective vaccine. Yeah I haven’t heard any data regarding reinfections but I personally have seen some viral posts on social media about individuals posting their story on how they got reinfected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Cappybara said: Yeah I haven’t heard any data regarding reinfections but I personally have seen some viral posts on social media about individuals posting their story on how they got reinfected That a a worry. I’m wondering how good the tests or labs doing the tests are for determining positive or negative. If basic problems with this.... Read info from local teaching hospital how some of the national labs take a week to come back with results. Is that screwing the pooch somehow? Edited July 17, 2020 by JimF-LowBari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 11 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said: Ok I read and they might as well say open it now demonstrations are ok too ... but they never did say that. In fact, they did the opposite, insisting that the two flavors of protests be treated differently. Quote (with even less mask and SD use). let’s be honest and admit there were boneheads on both sides. 👎 Sure. Only one side had such tangible support justifying the boneheadedness, though. Quote Personally think start of summer was when we started going to crap. Things were looking better and people relaxed way too much. Also about time the younger people were affected more which makes me think party time at beach or wherever really helped fuel the spikes We spent the entire month of June with wall-to-wall coverage of younger people cramming together in protests. Blatant disregard for social distancing and nose/mouth coverage was rampant in the video feeds... as was the sudden, total absence of any attempt to enforce those guidelines. Just a week before that, the news was all about beach restrictions such as dry sand vs. wet sand, keep walking and only in one direction, extreme distancing, limited admission, and outright closures. I would say we are both correct. Come June, people relaxed way too much, moreso in younger demographics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) And under “yeah we figured but good to know for sure” heading but at least on topic. Millersville PA Univ has cancelled its big Community/University (IOW homecoming)parade in the Fall. Lot of MB and a DC always there. Millersville is one of the PA State schools who cancelled all fall sports a few days back. Edited July 17, 2020 by JimF-LowBari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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