Trumpet2 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 This may be dumb, and if it is don’t roast me for it. Why is the champion not determined from an average of all three scores on finals night? Is it because they use different judges each night? I honestly think it might make things more interesting if that’s how placement was determined. Just my opinion. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 For the sake of the activity's sustainability, we must be critical of the rules. I support your questions. Awaiting people more knowledgeable to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liahona Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Trumpet2 said: This may be dumb, and if it is don’t roast me for it. Why is the champion not determined from an average of all three scores on finals night? Is it because they use different judges each night? I honestly think it might make things more interesting if that’s how placement was determined. Just my opinion. The Ott, Sanford and Zingali are already all determined this way... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumcorpsfever Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 I get it.I’ve thought the same.Captions count from all three shows. Placement, on the other hand, is not. It’s 3 separate shows and only the last one counts for placement. My preference would be an average over the 3 shows for placement as well. Otherwise, what we get are finals predicated upon only one panel of judges. That, to me, is too much weight given to only one panel of judges. Judges are not all the same. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BlueStainGlass Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 Imagine you pull off the feat of going 3-2-1 and feeling on top of the world then somebody goes sorry that group that got second beat you. Box 5 is a consistency everybody all the time so if you truly do that then all that matters is the last one. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liahona Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said: For the sake of the activity's sustainability, we must be critical of the rules. I support your questions. Awaiting people more knowledgeable to answer. I might also add that it is extremely RARE for the Friday night winner not to come out on top Saturday night... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxfreq1128 Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Liahona said: The Ott, Sanford and Zingali are already all determined this way... Yeah, but they’re each evaluated by one judge per performance. So the trophy goes to whoever most impresses a “panel” of 3 — one judge per night. The corps as a whole are already judged by a full panel. GE alone is split 4 ways. One performance is already an average of what multiple people think. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BlueStainGlass said: Imagine you pull off the feat of going 3-2-1 and feeling on top of the world then somebody goes sorry that group that got second beat you. Box 5 is a consistency everybody all the time so if you truly do that then all that matters is the last one. This is my first inclination, but @Liahonahas a point. It's about the inevitable singular subjectivity of the finals night judges that's the problem. As a performer though, I'd love knowing I'd won the last show singularly. Edited July 28, 2022 by scheherazadesghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStainGlass Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Well it happened with Phantom in 08 and to be on the field when those scores were announced was crazy energy 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post brassboy Posted July 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Trumpet2 said: This may be dumb, and if it is don’t roast me for it. Why is the champion not determined from an average of all three scores on finals night? Is it because they use different judges each night? I honestly think it might make things more interesting if that’s how placement was determined. Just my opinion. I think averaging the three scores would likely be LESS interesting if after the first two nights it’s clear that it would be virtually impossible for another corps to score high enough to make the average work in their favor. One of the incredible things about finals night is how corps tend to find that extra little spark to make their performance extra special. So it’s even more spectacular when a corps comes from behind because of it. I wouldn’t mind seeing a completely doubled panel for finals night though. Edited July 28, 2022 by brassboy 14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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