spacewill Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 On 10/5/2023 at 6:41 AM, cixelsyd said: Again, the "going on first" thing is not as big a deal as some are making it out to be. While they are not a member corps, they are still a world-class corps. Therefore, at western shows they will appear one hour earlier than they otherwise would have. In a few shows approaching San Antonio, there will usually only be one or two open-class/SoundSport groups preceding them. At San Antonio, they will go on first in world-class. That could be five hours earlier than where they belong. But for the entire other half of the season, their performance slot will be determined by their recent competitive placings. Back to business as usual in that regard. For a corps that is used to going last or next to last and always being the darling of the show, going first is absolutely a huge impact for the first half of the season. Maybe it doesn't impact the scores, but playing early for a half filled stadium, before intermission, and when the sun is out impacts the MMs. From someone who had a kid march with a Corp who started the season marching first and then transitioned to being after intermission with the big boys, it 100% impacts your motivation, confidence, and excitement. Maybe the MMs see it as motivation or some say, no way they want to be part of the return journey, but it definitely isn't just an "Oh well, no impact" kind of thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello Dude Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, spacewill said: For a corps that is used to going last or next to last and always being the darling of the show, going first is absolutely a huge impact for the first half of the season. Maybe it doesn't impact the scores, but playing early for a half filled stadium, before intermission, and when the sun is out impacts the MMs. From someone who had a kid march with a Corp who started the season marching first and then transitioned to being after intermission with the big boys, it 100% impacts your motivation, confidence, and excitement. Maybe the MMs see it as motivation or some say, no way they want to be part of the return journey, but it definitely isn't just an "Oh well, no impact" kind of thing. Bet the stadium isn't half full because of this. I'm actually seeing a benefit for all the corps that have half full stadiums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, spacewill said: For a corps that is used to going last or next to last and always being the darling of the show, going first is absolutely a huge impact for the first half of the season. Maybe it doesn't impact the scores, but playing early for a half filled stadium, before intermission, and when the sun is out impacts the MMs. From someone who had a kid march with a Corp who started the season marching first and then transitioned to being after intermission with the big boys, it 100% impacts your motivation, confidence, and excitement. Maybe the MMs see it as motivation or some say, no way they want to be part of the return journey, but it definitely isn't just an "Oh well, no impact" kind of thing. To be fair though, SCV's first half of tour will almost assuredly be all California/DCIP shows where they will have no issue being a crowd favorite, and will likely only travel east leading into San Antonio. I'd think the effects will be very minimal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, spacewill said: For a corps that is used to going last or next to last and always being the darling of the show, going first is absolutely a huge impact for the first half of the season. Maybe it doesn't impact the scores, but playing early for a half filled stadium, before intermission, and when the sun is out impacts the MMs. From someone who had a kid march with a Corp who started the season marching first and then transitioned to being after intermission with the big boys, it 100% impacts your motivation, confidence, and excitement. Maybe the MMs see it as motivation or some say, no way they want to be part of the return journey, but it definitely isn't just an "Oh well, no impact" kind of thing. I agree. Not only that, but if you are on at 6pm instead of 9:30 or 10pm, it does cut your rehearsal time short. Everyone remember when BD had to go on first out west one year? They interviewed Dave Gibbs, who said he couldn't believe they were on during the sunlight and they had to wake up the corps at 8 instead of their much later time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewill Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Lead said: To be fair though, SCV's first half of tour will almost assuredly be all California/DCIP shows where they will have no issue being a crowd favorite, and will likely only travel east leading into San Antonio. I'd think the effects will be very minimal. 5 minutes ago, Mello Dude said: Bet the stadium isn't half full because of this. I'm actually seeing a benefit for all the corps that have half full stadiums. Having seen the traffic to the stadium and at the stadiums, and how people wait until the very end to show up for shows in Cali, I bet it is still not as full as they are used to. Rose bowl is notoriously bad for getting people in (takes 45 minutes to an hour) so people will screw that up and miss them on accident. Traffic at 4:30 in Cali to get to a show is way worse than traffic at 6:00 p.m. Other stadiums also will have similar issues, along with the desire of some people who may want to see them but don't want to or can't go as early on a weekday. Trust me, I want them to bring people as this only helps the other corps home shows and revenue. But crowd size is only 1 impact, the early times will absolutely have an impact on the MMs. Now, again, maybe they turn that into motivation, but it will be something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 26 minutes ago, spacewill said: For a corps that is used to going last or next to last and always being the darling of the show, going first is absolutely a huge impact for the first half of the season. Maybe it doesn't impact the scores, but playing early for a half filled stadium, before intermission, and when the sun is out impacts the MMs. From someone who had a kid march with a Corp who started the season marching first and then transitioned to being after intermission with the big boys, it 100% impacts your motivation, confidence, and excitement. Maybe the MMs see it as motivation or some say, no way they want to be part of the return journey, but it definitely isn't just an "Oh well, no impact" kind of thing. 1. Notice that I never said "no impact"... just not as big an impact as some are making it out to be. One reason is... 2. At the Western shows, there are usually as many open-class corps as world-class corps. SCV will go on after intermission at those shows. 3. If it is THAT BIG A DEAL, then DCI seriously needs to go to a random draw for performance order at shows all through tour. Appearing at 8:30 in the evening should not cause lack of motivation/confidence/excitement, nor should only half the 9:30 crowd be there. Better shuffling of performance order would address all of those issues. (It would also equalize the rehearsal time issue.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Tim K said: I’m sure the adjusting of scores played a role in the ways scores were announced. Some scores were announced earlier in the day and if you were in Indy you knew which corps from earlier in the day would compete in semi’s, though we may have had to look online. When you think about how close some groupings were, especially 2-4 and 5-7, as well as 9-11 and the contention of who would place 12th, holding off in case adjustments had to be made is logical, at least to the judges and if you think they should be able to adjust numbers. If judges are so experienced and expert in the captions that they judge, why would they need to go back and adjust numbers? Seems like a system ripe for manipulation in case a Corps places in the “wrong” position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 55 minutes ago, craiga said: I agree. Not only that, but if you are on at 6pm instead of 9:30 or 10pm, it does cut your rehearsal time short. Everyone remember when BD had to go on first out west one year? They interviewed Dave Gibbs, who said he couldn't believe they were on during the sunlight and they had to wake up the corps at 8 instead of their much later time. Yes, but you also leave, and then arrive at next location earlier, so you can get on practice field earlier. The number of hours in the day has not changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewill Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said: Yes, but you also leave, and then arrive at next location earlier, so you can get on practice field earlier. The number of hours in the day has not changed. Very few corps exit the lots that early any more due to traffic and etc. Typically they will still be in the lot eating or doing some easy packing but they don't generally just hit the road right away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, spacewill said: Very few corps exit the lots that early any more due to traffic and etc. Typically they will still be in the lot eating or doing some easy packing but they don't generally just hit the road right away. Ok. I suppose we can consider it SCV’s penance due to financial chicanery that they need to go on early. And for that matter, is there any rule against sectionals in lot after performance while waiting for traffic to clear? BITD you used to see it w/ early performing Corps while waiting for retreat. I recall guard members who had marched w arm in sling all of a sudden being miraculously healed & working on show. 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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