JimF-LowBari Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 12 hours ago, Brian Tuma said: I was attacked on here by a couple people for criticizing that prop’s integrity. I think I called it overbuilt yet surprisingly unsafe. It’s good to hear Jim thought similar. I feel vindicated. I always wonder how many times a prop like that is taken apart and reassembled. That includes practice as well as shows. Metal fatigue and wear on nuts and bolts has to take a toll by end of the season. (Yeah dad was a mechanic) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, JimF-LowBari said: I always wonder how many times a prop like that is taken apart and reassembled. That includes practice as well as shows. Metal fatigue and wear on nuts and bolts has to take a toll by end of the season. (Yeah dad was a mechanic) Common sense would have someone knowledgeable making safety checks on a structure, say weekly, in the case of a tour. Joints, fasteners, cracks in materials, etc. The thing then would be to make sure if this happens it can be quickly replaced or repaired. The other trick, Jim, is to overengineer the prop with a high safety factor so it can withstand 2-3 times the actual weight and stresses that it bears at any time in a performance. Dad (Engineer) and I built the DM Podium for my HS and told them it had a 5 year life- Dad smartly built it well enough it was used for about 10-15 years with no incident, thankfully. Props can be safely and smartly designed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 50 minutes ago, jwillis35 said: I like that you are defending them a little here and I have no problem with that. I had a number of students who marched Cadets and all of them loved it. In regard to the food don't take the comments too personally. I think most folks on here know that food issues were very common with lots of corps back in the 70s and 80s, even into the 90s and 2000s in the DCI era. The students I know who marched primarily in the 90s and early 2000s always felt the corps ate well. There were other things they liked and some things they did not. They were all still glad they marched with a legendary corps. But just know that some of the things discussed here (food, finances, other issues) do not just relate to the Cadets. Everyone here knows that. There are lots of good people here who understand the difficulties many corps had in trying to run their operations and get down the road in the summer. This just happens to be a Cadets thread and with the corps going through legal issues at a time when their existence is in question I think it is fair that these things are discussed. Jim said the food was great the two years he went on the road with them. The carrot crew did a terrific job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpbobcat Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 16 minutes ago, BigW said: Common sense would have someone knowledgeable making safety checks on a structure, say weekly, in the case of a tour. Joints, fasteners, cracks in materials, etc. The thing then would be to make sure if this happens it can be quickly replaced or repaired. The other trick, Jim, is to overengineer the prop with a high safety factor so it can withstand 2-3 times the actual weight and stresses that it bears at any time in a performance. Dad (Engineer) and I built the DM Podium for my HS and told them it had a 5 year life- Dad smartly built it well enough it was used for about 10-15 years with no incident, thankfully. Props can be safely and smartly designed. I've posted on this topic before. I'm an engineer and ,when it comes to props ,some of the things I've seen in DCI, scares the crap out of me. 1. Just for the sake of liability ,I would think that a prop's design should be certified by a Licensed Professional Engineer, Architect etc. 2.Again, if for no other reason then liability, I would think a corps would have one or more "qualified" individuals inspecting each time a prop is assembled and/or dismantled. 3.There should also be a signed maintenance log kept for each prop ,each time it is assembled/disassembled documenting its condition ,including any damage and repairs with dates and specifics as to that repair. Maybe this comes off as "over kill" till someone gets hurt. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOC Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 3 hours ago, rpbobcat said: Maybe this comes off as "over kill" till someone gets hurt. Then an attorney contacts the corps. Edited February 27 by TOC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denverjohn Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, rpbobcat said: I've posted on this topic before. I'm an engineer and ,when it comes to props ,some of the things I've seen in DCI, scares the crap out of me. 1. Just for the sake of liability ,I would think that a prop's design should be certified by a Licensed Professional Engineer, Architect etc. 2.Again, if for no other reason then liability, I would think a corps would have one or more "qualified" individuals inspecting each time a prop is assembled and/or dismantled. 3.There should also be a signed maintenance log kept for each prop ,each time it is assembled/disassembled documenting its condition ,including any damage and repairs with dates and specifics as to that repair. Maybe this comes off as "over kill" till someone gets hurt. I was expecting a severe injury in 2023. That's all I'll say. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, rpbobcat said: I've posted on this topic before. I'm an engineer and ,when it comes to props ,some of the things I've seen in DCI, scares the crap out of me. 1. Just for the sake of liability ,I would think that a prop's design should be certified by a Licensed Professional Engineer, Architect etc. 2.Again, if for no other reason then liability, I would think a corps would have one or more "qualified" individuals inspecting each time a prop is assembled and/or dismantled. 3.There should also be a signed maintenance log kept for each prop ,each time it is assembled/disassembled documenting its condition ,including any damage and repairs with dates and specifics as to that repair. Maybe this comes off as "over kill" till someone gets hurt. WGI is even scarier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 2 hours ago, BigW said: Common sense would have someone knowledgeable making safety checks on a structure, say weekly, in the case of a tour. Joints, fasteners, cracks in materials, etc. The thing then would be to make sure if this happens it can be quickly replaced or repaired. The other trick, Jim, is to overengineer the prop with a high safety factor so it can withstand 2-3 times the actual weight and stresses that it bears at any time in a performance. Dad (Engineer) and I built the DM Podium for my HS and told them it had a 5 year life- Dad smartly built it well enough it was used for about 10-15 years with no incident, thankfully. Props can be safely and smartly designed. Theres that funny phrase again “common sense”. When people who have proper knowledge (like your dad) to design, build and maintain these things I have no problem. My concern is who checks and maintains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 hour ago, rpbobcat said: I've posted on this topic before. I'm an engineer and ,when it comes to props ,some of the things I've seen in DCI, scares the crap out of me. 1. Just for the sake of liability ,I would think that a prop's design should be certified by a Licensed Professional Engineer, Architect etc. 2.Again, if for no other reason then liability, I would think a corps would have one or more "qualified" individuals inspecting each time a prop is assembled and/or dismantled. 3.There should also be a signed maintenance log kept for each prop ,each time it is assembled/disassembled documenting its condition ,including any damage and repairs with dates and specifics as to that repair. Maybe this comes off as "over kill" till someone gets hurt. There is no overkill in keeping people safe. But the activity doesn’t have a great record in keeping people safe from harassment or sexual assault either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverCityAndTroopersFan Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 32 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: WGI is even scarier Inferno…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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