craiga Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 20 minutes ago, Old Guy said: I honestly do not know the answer to this but… does the law forbid a 17 to date and 18 ? what the law in the US say about it? And what happen if 2x 17 are dating but one got his birthday before the other one while on tour? That's the problem. There is no nationwide age of consent. They vary by state...some are 16 or 17, and a few southern states are, incredibly, lower. I don't know how you enforce constantly changing laws on a group that travels 10,000 miles in 60 days... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheherazadesghost Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 3 minutes ago, craiga said: That's the problem. There is no nationwide age of consent. They vary by state...some are 16 or 17, and a few southern states are, incredibly, lower. I don't know how you enforce constantly changing laws on a group that travels 10,000 miles in 60 days... Follow the SSI model in which no young person, minor or adult, can give consent within a power differential. It's backed by science. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 48 minutes ago, Old Guy said: I honestly do not know the answer to this but… does the law forbid a 17 to date and 18 ? what the law in the US say about it? And what happen if 2x 17 are dating but one got his birthday before the other one while on tour? That’s kind of a leap of logic, dating to sexual assault. Anyway, who cares what the law says if the corps instituted a strict no dating policy. No stating that I agree with it, just going with the straw man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: so in a few places i've seen online or a few chats i have had with trusted individuals, as i expected, more details seem to be slowly seeping out. now please don't take this next part as victim shaming..i'm not. but it appears the victim filed several other lawsuits of a similar nature and didn't win any of them. i'm no legal expert, and i have no idea where to look, but a quick search on my end found none of them, but i am sure i'm not looking in the right places. i'm not a lawyer, i dont play one on tv, and i don't even watch them on tv. why do i bring that up? did CAE's lawyers use this in their legal maneuvers? Were CAE's lawyers even experts in the field? i'm told attorneys that specialize in these cases were recommended to the board, and the board chose to go the route they did and play the odds. well it's clear that didn't work. was it trust? was it cost? i get it, good legal representation isn't cheap, but if fighting for your existence, i'd think you'd figure out a way to get experts in the field you're dealing with that has a good record. it's apparently no secret it happened with the victim and the abuser. but that it was not a corps sponsored activity has bothered me from day one. Yes, the corps should have dismissed him. in fact, any corps admin at this gathering should have stopped it then. but i still wonder how liable the corps really should be for that? But again, that comes down to who the board had representing them. for $1,000 a month ( a number i've seen floated several places) i can't imagine you're getting Will Gardner or ALicia Florrick ( i have watched that show 2/3 times, hence how i know the names). But...this is a board that allowed Scott to be pushed out, and hired someone who it's publicly known lost in court over fraudulent charity issues. And gave that person more power on paper than Hop had. And how'd that work out? Well....that person fired a certified legend after issues over member safety and finances came out after the season. and the move to Erie...going hand in hand with the sports facility that as has come out over time wasn't always in the best graces of their city. none of my info came from CAE Board members, and i do not claim it to be 100% accurate. i wouldn't trust anything a CAE board member said anyways based on my interactions with 2 of them. But the more that keeps coming out, the more I see that this board...well....didn't do their jobs. who cares however may MBA's or whatever else degrees they had, it seemed to be all about the loyal and faithful and maroon and gold. and as i see more and more seeping out online, in the end....lawsuit or no....it was going to fail anyway. and it seems if any of this is true, the lawsuit showed they couldn't handle it. so while many wat to blame the victim...hell CAE did in their press release....i think in the end, the ultimate failure is on the board, who sat on a ticking time bomb that the lawsuit only got to exploe sooner than later., Interesting. I did not consider the possibility that the lawsuit is being used by the board as cover / excuse for the Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Versus the board causing the failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 19 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said: Follow the SSI model in which no young person, minor or adult, can give consent within a power differential. It's backed by science. I here you. We've already eliminated (hopefully) staff/member transgressions. However, is there in fact a power differential between two baritone players for example, who are 6 months apart in birthdays? How about a couple color guard boys who are both 17 until one has a birthday the day of Allentown? I know a wonderful couple (both drummers) where the boy aged out and wanted to be on staff, and he was hired. But, his gf still had one year to go in the bass line, and BAC leadership told them that was not going to happen. So as a couple, they discussed it in the off season and decided that she would age out at BD(which she did) while he stayed and taught at BAC. Just bringing this up because sometimes we all forget that rules affect people in real time. My heart goes out to them but my brain says the drum corps did the right thing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 51 minutes ago, scheherazadesghost said: Follow the SSI model in which no young person, minor or adult, can give consent within a power differential. It's backed by science. Ok. So say we do this & it fixes staff/member issues. What about member/member (which is what was alleged to happen in several recent incidents)? Not trying to be difficult, but it seems to me that there needs to be more than just SSI. Or perhaps I don’t understand SSI well enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) 17 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said: Ok. So say we do this & it fixes staff/member issues. What about member/member (which is what was alleged to happen in several recent incidents)? Not trying to be difficult, but it seems to me that there needs to be more than just SSI. Or perhaps I don’t understand SSI well enough. Are you talking about member/member when one is 18+ and the other is younger than 18? Are you talking about dating ? What is your question? Just a generic how do you stop a member from molesting another member? Anyway, I would hope there is frequent repetition to the message of a zero tolerance policy and that if you see something, say something. Versus a one-time view the anti-harassment video, roll your eyes and move on. You want to date, and one of you is a marching member and the other is a staff member? Not gonna happen, sorry. Not under our auspices. You have options. You don’t have to be in our drum corps. Life is full of choices. Edited April 6 by HockeyDad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, craiga said: That's the problem. There is no nationwide age of consent. They vary by state...some are 16 or 17, and a few southern states are, incredibly, lower. I don't know how you enforce constantly changing laws on a group that travels 10,000 miles in 60 days... Actually, it is simple. Simpler than DFTK. Only requires the first two letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: Actually, it is simple. Simpler than DFTK. Only requires the first two letters. Haha. Or maybe only the first letter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 1 hour ago, HockeyDad said: Interesting. I did not consider the possibility that the lawsuit is being used by the board as cover / excuse for the Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Versus the board causing the failure. From what I’ve seen and heard the lawsuit only sped up the eventual outcome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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