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Perhaps this thread should be titled, "What corps performance would you like to be responsible for getting yourself flamed?"

Or, what year that your corps lost are you still struggling to let go?

Starting at 57:14: "We have a little, uh, little sneak, sneak hint coming up. I will say we did drop a hint while playing those certain tunes, in and out, we did drop a hint with one of them ... I'll say that ... one of those performances that you just heard through the course of the show in the breaks, one of the tunes in that might make an appearance in the 2014 production. That's what I got." The selections that had been played were "Count Bubba" (2003) at 15:57-18:41, "Caravan" (1990) at 35:16-37:30, and "Russian Christmas Music" (1977) at 54:45-56:36. (Strictly speaking the program opened with "Some Nights" (2013) at 0:01-0:42 and closed with "Earth Song" (2012) at 61:01-62:30, but those are was presumably too recent to count.)

I find it interesting that we are talking about a WGI show about "Images from India" and you post a reply involving IT support. Word has it that India has an extremely rich culture that dates back eons before IT support.

Don't know why Bridgemen changed things. I DO know I saw the Yankee Rebels at Jersey City in the Dream do: "Requiem For an Era", and the crowd went BoZo Crazy for the show. I said to my self. "Wonder how that is going to go over at American Legion Nationals in ATLANTA, GEORGIA". So their I was at Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA. "in 1969 Charlie Kammer presented the corps with a complete program of North/South Civil War tunes. This was to be the Yankee Rebels’ theme. The corps would attempt to perform a battle on the contest field with two armies playing North-South music." And I Quote. " The crowd applauded for over ten minutes at the conclusion of that memorable show. The Yankee Rebels won not only the show but also the hearts of the drum corps world. " They did not change a thing from the Dream in Jersey City, NJ!!!!!

Sometimes, a work of art may certainly be "progressive" and "regressive" -- both at the same time. D.W. Griffith's "classic" film, Birth of A Nation, was seen as being highly progressive through its' advanced camera and narrative techniques, and its' popularity has been credited with setting the stage for the dominance of feature-length film in the U.S. However, its' negative representation of the African-American race, and its' positive representation of both slavery and the Ku Kux Klan were most certainly regressive in terms of race relations. To make this somewhat applicable to drum corps, let's take Zingali's "Z-Pull" as an example. If, when it was first used (in 1983, I believe), it had been incorporated as part of a, say, Civil War program, it could have been seen as being highly "progressive" in terms of matching drill design to program (let's say the "splitting of a nation, yet also coming back together). However, if there had existed the present-day freedom with uniforms, body movement, and pictorial representation of "acting a part," then elements demeaning racial issues or instances could also have been incorporated, and would most certainly have been seen as "regressive" -- and most certainly controversial. Just two cents from a simple mind.

I didn't read everything, but in short, DCI is like the NCAA and their associated conferences. The NCAA and conferences operate at the behest of the universities it serves and is responsible for maintaining rules, marketing, scheduling, and providing a framework for cooperation. It is not responsible for the success or fiscal health of it's member institutions. Because the NCAA president serves at the behest of college presidents and because membership is voluntary, the NCAA is in somewhat of a toothless position as well. DCI has little influence over the direction of drum corps because it is simply following directives from it's member institutions. One difference I see from the NCAA is that, in my opinion, there doesn't seem to be enough equity between members in DCI. There are definitely certain voices which are more influential than others. This probably has a lot to do with the fact there are way fewer member organizations in DCI than the NCAA. If one is looking for someone to blame for an issue, blame the corps themselves. You could also blame them for for creating a toothless governing body which has little room to make autonomous decisions it believes to benefit the activity as a whole. On the flipside, the founders of DCI were trying to escape the "authoritarianism" of the old VFW-type governing bodies who dictated virtually everything to its members. I'm pragmatic about DCI in the same way I'm pragmatic about our government. The very nature of the organization sometimes prevents it from making sound decisions, but it's the best system we've got. Maybe a benevolent dictatorship is what we need ;)

The Kilties first outdoor rehearsal camp of 2014 will be held Saturday, April 26th at Gilmore Middle School, 2330 Northwestern Avenue in Racine, WI and Sunday, April 27th at Ameche Stadium, 8560 26th Avenue in Kenosha, WI. In the event of rain, one or both rehearsals will be held at Washington Park Field House, Washington Park High School in Racine. Several positions are still available. ~Since 1934~

Wonder what my wifes neurologist and my regular doctor would say...... not to mention a pair of other specialists we met along the way.... And the Oracle/IBM contractors I worked with the last few years... however one of them pronounces his name....

Thats a great format.. and some good discussion taking place there... and its great to learn that it seems like the Crossmen are having a fine off season in preparation for their 2014 season. Good luck to them this season !

I watched St. Anns on YT. It wasn't a very clear copy (I will watch it again when I sign up for WGI FN). Some of the details were hard to make out, but it was enough to show how good it was. Were the cups really a controversy that year? You can hardly see them. I kept going back to listen closely to the clips used from Stanley Kubrick films. Did I hear uncensored clips from Full Metal Jacket and Clockwork Orange?

Not saying I agree (because I don't) but didn't the brass score make up for all of this?

you can have a difference of opinion. Can you read all tha'ts written not what you cherry pick? I don't support all things BUT support ALL things and subjects done in good taste. NOT my taste and for sure not your taste BUT a reasonable program done with good programming which is free to explore without any person or persons setting forth a guideline thats suits mostly their own needs. I even support your right ( believe it or not ) ,even if I disagree totally and truly believe it's not good for the activity.As I have said this type of opinion with a very few has not done a thing in all these decades of winter guard and as long as its done in goo.d taste it won't in the future either, thankfully.

Its not DCI... but its a funny story ( or macabre, depending upon one's perspective ) regarding a " small Corps ". Back in the 80's, there was a real " small corps " from Massachusets that had 3 marchers total in their Corps. They were from Braintree Ma and were called the" Braintree Braves ". The " Corps" was a Mom and Dad who took their 3 children in their SUV to competitions in Class C Division Esmass. Circuit, throughout Eastern Ma. ( maybe 4- 6 shows total on ave, in the summer ). We're really not sure to this day, if Mom and Dad were using the kids to get a tax write off on their new SUV or what the deal was. But it was all so totally bizarre to us. Anyway, 1 girl carried a flag... 1 brother carried a snare drum.......1 other brother carried a soprano bugle. None of the marchers were over 10 years old. We'd say to ourselves.. " every marcher in this show is a soloist in their section... and for the entire show performance too ! ". One day in competition, the boy with the bugle turned and bumped into his sister with the flag, and he fell down unhurt, then got up . and then he walked off the field... right in the middle of the show too... bam!...' just walked straight off. His parents motioned the other 2 to come off the field then too. ( of course they had too, as their " small Corps" suddenly had no " brass line " anymore). That was the last we ever saw of this Corps, marchers, and their " equipment - food kitchen- traveling van".. Weirdest " Small Corps" with the strangest" Corps Director(s)- Instructional staff " we'd ever witnessed.

I'm thrilled to see Tim Salzman entered into the DCI Hall of Fame. He was my brass instructor in three different corps. The photo of him in the DCI write-up is perfect, and gives me flash-backs to how motivating (and intimidating) Tim was as a teacher. He was calm but intense, and had a mysterious way of making us want to work for him. He is the drum corps version of Phil Jackson. The DCI write-up misses one important detail. Tim's first drum corps gig was not the Guardsmen, but the 1977 Fox Valley Raiders of Aurora, IL, which happened to be my first corps, too. I joined when I was all of 12 years old, and was one of Tim's first drum corps students. The Raiders had their best year under Tim, finishing 29th at DCI, but then folded soon after. So Tim and a bunch of us moved on to the Guardsmen in 1978. Tim did amazing things with the horn line, resulting in the Guardsmen's 4th place finish in brass in 1979 (third in GE and MA). The Guardsmen then ran out of money. So, in 1981, Tim moved on to SCV, and helped them win DCI that year. I had the great honor of aging out with SCV in 1984, and so once again had Tim as my brass instructor. 1984 was one of the few years SCV has ever won high brass (well, a three way tie with Garfield and BD), another testament to Tim's excellence (with able help from Rick South and Gordon Henderson). Tim eventually joined the Cavies, and gave them a new musical identity and level of sophistication. Congrats, Tim! I am delighted to see you honored. You richly deserve it. Your high standards and remarkably communicative teaching hooked me on drum corps at the age of 12, and kept me there until I aged out. To this day, I still use your example as one of the standards for excellence in my life.

"justed?". Sorry, I was looking at some South Park shows from my DVD collection of all the seasons and as a result forgot how to review what I've written before posting.

car is 1953 or 54... so whoever that is would be REALLY old... older than Don and that's saying a lot

I nominate Howard Stern to be our moral police. Since Brasso totally doesnt seem to understand the meaning of the word nominate, I have rescinded his nomination

I'll throw a guess out there - the title of this thread is dirtiest champions since 1990. That might be why.

Speaking of "Crowd Reaction", the 70's/80's/90's were like S.E.C.football crowds and the post 2000 DCI CR's are like Professional Golf. Just another thing I miss about DrumCorps. Few, if any, passionate standing ovations anymore. I guess because there is very little to stand up and get excited about.