BozzlyB Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 What one defines as a " dark " show varies from person to person. Is the SCV '87 and '88 classic show " Phantom of the Opera " a " dark " show ? For some... yes... as the theme was certainly dark and somber, and the music, actors portrayed, and costuming utilized was likewise.The theme is one of anger, jealousy,etc... certainly " dark " character traits in the human condition. Others however define " dark" shows differently ( ie, atonality notes, multilayered, deeper, ambivalent messaging, or whatever ). For these folks, SCV's '87, '88 " Phantom of the Opera " show wasn't " dark " at all. Agreed, that is exactly my point. If he doesn't define his version of dark there is no context within which to form a discussion because we're all likely talking about different things (to a degree). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkfdPRphan Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 DEFINE DARK and start this thread over!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 DEFINE DARK and start this thread over!!!! Either that, or shut the lights out on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 Well, the use of "Brave New World" in Shakespeare is a direct reference to the Americas (the New World) and the settlements that were starting there. If that's true, it's only an oblique reference. The line is Miranda's. For her entire life, the only human being she has known is her father. When she first sees Ferdinand, she mistakes him for a spirit. Her exclamation, "O, wonder! How many goodly creatures are there here! How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, that has such people in't!" comes when she first sees his fellow castaways (who are from the Old World) on her island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 LIKE! Gaga gets good people to write her songs. I mostly prefer indie type music, but I can appreciate a catchy dance/pop tune, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 If that's true, it's only an oblique reference. The line is Miranda's. For her entire life, the only human being she has known is her father. When she first sees Ferdinand, she mistakes him for a spirit. Her exclamation, "O, wonder! How many goodly creatures are there here! How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, that has such people in't!" comes when she first sees his fellow castaways (who are from the Old World) on her island. Yes, well, at the time it was written when people heard the phrase "New World" it kindled ideas associated with the Americas. I'm no Shakespeare expert but maybe the reference was for the audience in order to connect to the emotions that she was experiencing by relating them to the tangible ideas that the phrase "New World" brings. We can thank Huxley for pulling that line and blowing it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barifonium Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 (edited) let's just put it this way... I'll stick with my assertion that The Cadets 2010 was dark.. c'mon, who writes a cheerful show about selling your eternal soul??? I don't think that's even possible! Edited May 5, 2011 by Impuls!vebari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie1223 Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 let's just put it this way... I'll stick with my assertion that The Cadets 2010 was dark.. c'mon, who writes a cheerful show about selling your eternal soul??? I don't think that's even possible! That's were I think SHOWS can be described as "dark" and "light" but not individual pieces of music. Even if you believe Cadets 2010 to be "dark" (I don't) you can't possibly think that Children's Dance and Dance of the Tumblers were "dark" pieces of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 5, 2011 Share Posted May 5, 2011 That's were I think SHOWS can be described as "dark" and "light" but not individual pieces of music. Even if you believe Cadets 2010 to be "dark" (I don't) you can't possibly think that Children's Dance and Dance of the Tumblers were "dark" pieces of music. chuckie's dance instead of children's dance. how could anybody not be in favor of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFr3aK Posted May 6, 2011 Share Posted May 6, 2011 Shosty is a genius. The major chords arpeggiated by the cellos in the 1st movement are intense dark. But the real genius is in how sarcastic and dark the coda of the 4th movement is. D Major chords. Your business is rejoicing... Is it strange after reading ALL of the posts in this thread, THIS is the only thing that bugged me?! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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