VOReason Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Except that the corps who have come closest to beating the Buccaneers since 2005 are the Empire Statesmen, Minnesota Brass and Caballeros. No offense to anyone... but I think those corps have, at various times since '05, existed within the same ZIP code. True, however if Bush had close to the numbers on the field as did the Statesmen, Brass and Cabs they would be looking at these corps in the rear view mirror. As it now stands, the contest is over after the first 3 minutes of the Bucs programs...they are THAT far ahead in concept/design. And yet, year after year, these other corps come out with pretty much the same design staff and show concepts, expecting a different result. Bush's programs always show originality and content. It's a shame they can't seem to draw the players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 True, however if Bush had close to the numbers on the field as did the Statesmen, Brass and Cabs they would be looking at these corps in the rear view mirror. As it now stands, the contest is over after the first 3 minutes of the Bucs programs...they are THAT far ahead in concept/design. And yet, year after year, these other corps come out with pretty much the same design staff and show concepts, expecting a different result. Bush's programs always show originality and content. It's a shame they can't seem to draw the players. All these "what ifs." A waste of time. We could all "what if" each other to death about any number of corps' programs and contest results, from recent years and through the history of drum corps. What if my grandmother had wheels? She'd be a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishbugle Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 (edited) True, however if Bush had close to the numbers on the field as did the Statesmen, Brass and Cabs they would be looking at these corps in the rear view mirror. As it now stands, the contest is over after the first 3 minutes of the Bucs programs...they are THAT far ahead in concept/design. And yet, year after year, these other corps come out with pretty much the same design staff and show concepts, expecting a different result. Bush's programs always show originality and content. It's a shame they can't seem to draw the players. Bushwackers themes: 07: Around the town 08: Gypsodic 09: Scenes from a Physchotic Circus 10: Voodoo Empires Themes: 08: Westside Story 09: Out of Many, one 10: Going to Oz 11: Michael Jackson Cabs Themes: 07: Carmen 08: Sketches of Spain 09: Rythmos De Passion 10: Behind the Mask - original music 11: Heritage - original music I'm sorry but I can't see where you are saying Empire comes out with the same type program year after year. If anything, they have the most variation!! Out of the three corps listed, Bush's programs from 08 seem the most similar between seasons. Even Cabs, who are not known for having "the most variety" even introduced different concepts between years. Plus- the same arranger writing Bush's book this year, wrote Cabs book too. Both corps are featuring original music by the same arranger but yet one Corps is creative and original while the other corps is stale and un creative???? I don't see that, IMO. For the record, please don't think I am "attacking or flaming" you. I am actually quite enjoying this civil conversation. Edited July 5, 2011 by irishbugle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camel lips Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 \ It's a shame they can't seem to draw the players. And why is that VOICE OF REASON? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hairbear Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Actually, the Chicago Dayton weekend, I was chief judge for both shows and drove my van to the midwest picking up judges along the way... (Bob Thomas was in charge of entertainment) We had a great time, great corps performances but no audience... It was a financial disaster... And hotter than Hells blast furnace! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomPeashey Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 And hotter than Hells blast furnace! LOL! and yes - it was HOT The Chicago show was "Precious"... great little stadium but drove through neighborhoods I probably should never have driven through... (I've felt safer in Harlem at 2AM) got to the stadium and a cop guided me into the stadium with my car and had me park in the endzone... the last thing I heard him say was "Park out here and it will be gone after the show" Dayton stadium of course is wonderful... great place for a show... heat kept locals away.... That was a very "forward thinking" weekend for DCA and despite the financial cost helped set the stage for national expansion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
euponitone Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Best of luck to you. Funny thing is, Bush has had the only show that would be in the same ZIP code to challenge the Bucs, but just can't seem to draw the horses while other corps who are toast as soon as their concepts come off the drawing board are fielding competitive numbers. If Bush could draw just 35 horns and a similar representation in the guard and battery we might actually have ourselves a contest. Yeah - because being within a point of the bucs, and taking various captions throughout the year is akin to being "not in the same zip code". I realize that its the wins that count in the end, and anything else is just a consolation (competitively speaking), but still, the facts do not back you up in this case.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseyboy Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 No they absolutely should not. We're talking about 3 distinctly different organizations here that all bring something unique to the table. One with decades of history behind them and two carving out a niche of their own. Viva la difference! Not quite that different. all small corps. 20 or so horns. little guards. make 1 solid corps. Bush under new management. strong competitive open class DCA corps. pull your resources. become a strong org. great staff in 2012......... or 3 little corps , or all or some fold and we have none or less. WHY ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayre Kulp Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 again I think you are looking as more as better.,,as I said if you take Bucs and cabs and split them up into several 12 person hornline corps does it make it better because now there are more corps?...ahhh NO IMO Size aint everything...lol You said it yourself - "size aint everything". You don't need 60 horns and 10 snares and 30 guard to put on a great performance, IMO. I don't want more corps for the sake of more corps, but I DO love that there is now a great variety of very good drum corps of all sizes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayre Kulp Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Not quite that different. all small corps. 20 or so horns. little guards. make 1 solid corps. Bush under new management. strong competitive open class DCA corps. pull your resources. become a strong org. great staff in 2012......... or 3 little corps , or all or some fold and we have none or less. WHY ????????? WHAT?!?!? You're serious?! Yes, they are all Class A sized corps, but two of the three you mentioned are nearly FULL Class A sized corps. That's about the only thing they all have in common, save for hailing from the state of New Jersey. Why must they merge to form ONE "solid" corps when they can retain their unique identities and be THREE solid corps? Bush is under new management and clearly going through a rebuilding phase. So what? I don't know if you've actually SEEN anyone these corps, but they HAVE the resources to take them to the finish line. No need to "pull" (think you meant "pool") resources. Fusion is the defending Class A Champions. Windsor has their sights on changing that in only their first year of field competition. In what galaxy does that NOT equate to having a "strong org."? All three have great staff members already, and surely will in 2012 as well. I'm not really sure what you were going for with that comment. As for going Open Class - I suspect they each are looking that way when considering their plans for the future and probably will when the timing is right. You have three corps now, and history has shown that most mergers don't work out in the long run. I don't see Fusion or Windsor going away anytime soon. Actually, I'd bet my money on the contrary. Bush has a rough season ahead of them, but they've got 30 years of success under their belt. And their members clearly care to much to let their corps die. They'll figure it out. So the way I see it, you can keep the three you have, or try to merge them and probably lose all three. WHY ????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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