thirdcoast Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Ah hmmm (clears throat), again, I don't want to be the one to fart during your little campfire sing-along of "cumbaya" we're having here, but part of knowing what we are doing right, is understanding what we did wrong. Declaring ourselves "fixed" is a bit of an over-reach IMO. I'm not making the claim, so it's incumbent on those making the claim to identify those violators that were "copying each other" or "doing the same things", or "not being themselves". Facts please. Now, back to your singing! Plan, you know they pick these posts apart. Thats a good thing. Take what you need and leave the rest, DCP is very relevant. Mike should post here, don't ya think? Edited August 29, 2011 by thirdcoast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerriTroop Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 It seems to me that what is most interesting about my feelings for these two shows is that they are so different. I can imagine that an MC behind-closed-doors pitch went something like this: "Stop copying each other! Stop doing the same things! You each have your own "thing" so do it and do it well. Give us the diversity." The end. Actually, I imagined it went more like this, after what I saw this year: "Pick a hook and go for it in your own way with your own educational style and entertainment goals. Everyone will want to connect if you find a really good hook for your show." Cadets picks a great story hook with a visual to match. BD picks a great musical hook. Cavies pick circus acts and makes them cool. Crown picks Rock, Rach and Herbert. Phantom picks Juliet... lots of Juliets, actually. And the list goes on, and on, and on and we suddenly have a fantastic year of drum corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 Plan, you know they pick these posts apart. Thats a good thing. Take what you need and leave the rest, DCP is very relevant. Mike should post here, don't ya think? I suspect he's a little smarter than I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ah hmmm (clears throat), again, I don't want to be the one to fart during your little campfire sing-along of "cumbaya" we're having here, but part of knowing what we are doing right, is understanding what we did wrong. Declaring ourselves "fixed" is a bit of an over-reach IMO. I'm not making the claim, so it's incumbent on those making the claim to identify those violators that were "copying each other" or "doing the same things", or "not being themselves". Facts please. Now, back to your singing! Oh, you know, Plan. The same litany of things talked about here dozens of times: Chop and Bop music charts Jazz running follow the leader. Scatter drill to new sets. Big props to augment "the story" Monster squats and other dancing in the drum lines Angry guard faces emoting the feelings fans supposed to have because the music book doesn't do it. ... We saw some of that this year, but a lot less of it than in past years, IMO. "Individuality" seems to be coming back in vogue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Mike should post here, don't ya think? Believe he prefers Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 ..."Individuality" seems to be coming back in vogue. Surely you know as well as I do that one year isn't a trend. I'm with Plan on this. What happened this year - good though it was - is more likely indicative of a trend that precedes Cesario. It just might be the vision wasn't executed quite so well in 2010 and before. Should Cesario get credit? Some. HH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plan9 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Oh, you know, Plan. The same litany of things talked about here dozens of times: Chop and Bop music charts - BD Jazz running follow the leader. - BD Scatter drill to new sets. - BD (Maybe CC a little) Big props to augment "the story" - BD (Maybe Blue Stars a little) Monster squats and other dancing in the drum lines - BD Angry guard faces emoting the feelings fans supposed to have because the music book doesn't do it. ... We saw some of that this year, but a lot less of it than in past years, IMO. "Individuality" seems to be coming back in vogue. Remind me to hire you as my "Spin Meister" I've tried to associate ALL of the corps with each of your trend accusations! Did I miss any? Not exactly what I would call a trend. Remember, we're trying to capture the big difference between the previous year(s) trends and the miraculous, DCI-saving.... 2011! Was 2011 more successful and fan friendly? ...apparently but this was also a year of many nuances such as meetings of the top 8 peppered throughout the year, coupled with a mix of "who's on top?" all year long....a very competitve atmosphere. So the creativity/design stuff being trotted out here is kind of a ruse! Actually, I recognize some of the items that you and others are trying to foist here concerning the success of 2011, and I do understand where you're coming from, but it just comes down to this: One dominant champion wins, and wins with big margins, performing shows that some fans had difficultly connecting with....and it fries people's corks! Then we wring our hands and speak of the death of drum corps and deminishing crowds. Oh, woe is us! I'm not suggesting your points are wrong G, ....just focusing them honestly! "Get some rest Pam....you look tired! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
endy29 Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 So, do you have any personal Cesarios to hand out that don't fit within the All-Royer Awards? It's free! Mr. Boo Once apon a time sir, I thought you had some class. Your dismissive attitude to this man is unfortunately typical of this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) Remind me to hire you as my "Spin Meister" I've tried to associate ALL of the corps with each of your trend accusations! Did I miss any? Not exactly what I would call a trend. Remember, we're trying to capture the big difference between the previous year(s) trends and the miraculous, DCI-saving.... 2011! Was 2011 more successful and fan friendly? ...apparently but this was also a year of many nuances such as meetings of the top 8 peppered throughout the year, coupled with a mix of "who's on top?" all year long....a very competitve atmosphere. So the creativity/design stuff being trotted out here is kind of a ruse! Actually, I recognize some of the items that you and others are trying to foist here concerning the success of 2011, and I do understand where you're coming from, but it just comes down to this: One dominant champion wins, and wins with big margins, performing shows that some fans had difficultly connecting with....and it fries people's corks! Then we wring our hands and speak of the death of drum corps and deminishing crowds. Oh, woe is us! I'm not suggesting your points are wrong G, ....just focusing them honestly! "Get some rest Pam....you look tired! While I appreciate your attempt to "focus" the discussion, Plan, your focus is aimed improperly. I, indeed, had no focus on BD as you plainly have except, possibly, as a leader in the "follow the leader" (FTL) movement. You need not rely on simply my words here to embellish on FTL; there are lots of threads here detailing it (you may consider searching by "ABBD" to find the discussions). In fact, and much to your surprise I suspect, my comments are directed specifically NOT at BD because they can't be accused of dragging the other corps in their wake. Rather, the other corps simply looked at the formula for winning (as established by the Cadevaliers) and followed along instead of staying true to their roots and developing a winning formula on their own. That is the MC difference, IMO (with no first-hand evidence as to what was actually said in his meetings). And don't tell me you haven't seen the guard's "Angry Face" routines! They were all over the place last year, to the point of me asking "What are the guards all so mad about?" EDIT: Oh, and who's Pam? One of BB's girlfriends? Edited August 29, 2011 by garfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Remind me to hire you as my "Spin Meister" I've tried to associate ALL of the corps with each of your trend accusations! Did I miss any? Not exactly what I would call a trend. Remember, we're trying to capture the big difference between the previous year(s) trends and the miraculous, DCI-saving.... 2011! Was 2011 more successful and fan friendly? ...apparently but this was also a year of many nuances such as meetings of the top 8 peppered throughout the year, coupled with a mix of "who's on top?" all year long....a very competitve atmosphere. So the creativity/design stuff being trotted out here is kind of a ruse! Actually, I recognize some of the items that you and others are trying to foist here concerning the success of 2011, and I do understand where you're coming from, but it just comes down to this: One dominant champion wins, and wins with big margins, performing shows that some fans had difficultly connecting with....and it fries people's corks! Then we wring our hands and speak of the death of drum corps and deminishing crowds. Oh, woe is us! I'm not suggesting your points are wrong G, ....just focusing them honestly! "Get some rest Pam....you look tired! Darn it, Plan, I keep trying to click on all of your underlined posts thinking that they're links only to be fooled! I'm with Garfield! Yay, we have two camps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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