BigW Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'm still blown away at no apology by the organization. Says a lot. All the joy they've brought to audiences and POOF. Gone. You now reminded me of yet another Sandusky parallel. Thank you. I'm serious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylinersop16 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I'm still blown away at no apology by the organization. Says a lot. All the joy they've brought to audiences and POOF. Gone. Who's to say they didn't apologize? Why do they owe you an apology? Did they trash your house and kick your dog? I'm about tired of this nonsense. Everyone has been very vocal about their opinion yet nobody knows what exactly happened. We allegedly have it narrowed down to a hotel incident. It has also been said that several members were robbed from their rooms. Did the hotel apologize for that? Did they offer to pay for lost items? Everyone is so quick to jump on the bandwagon to condemn the Renegades. I can think of another corps that was threatening gate staff in Rochester but no mention was ever made by DCA about that little incident. They never got in trouble. The organization was asked to deal with those members. If this was any other corps in the circuit there would be a lot more public defense for them. Everyone seems to have it out for the Renegades and specifically Lee Rudnicki. Lee can stir the pot and challenge the traditional school of thought and is frankly a brilliant mind. I know that because I worked with him with the Skyliners. Also it is apparently okay to trash the Renegades for something that happened that none of you know about and then justify your criticisms by saying you are big fans. I guarantee if Lee had not posted anything publicly then everyone would be demanding answers as to what happened on top of creating stories. Now since he did try to appease the masses a little, everyone says it should've stayed behind closed doors while still demanding to know what happened. What is wrong with this society? In the last 72 hours I've seen people in my job, my marching band and the drum corps community turn on each other like rabid wolves. Out of hand. If you don't know what happened then don't lay blame and if you have a personal conflict with someone then don't air your dirty laundry in public. Just an opinion of someone who's been in the activity, seen a lot and doesn't hide his identity on a message board. The dislike button is over here. --------------------> 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bari Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Who's to say they didn't apologize? Why do they owe you an apology? Did they trash your house and kick your dog? I'm about tired of this nonsense. Everyone has been very vocal about their opinion yet nobody knows what exactly happened. We allegedly have it narrowed down to a hotel incident. It has also been said that several members were robbed from their rooms. Did the hotel apologize for that? Did they offer to pay for lost items? Everyone is so quick to jump on the bandwagon to condemn the Renegades. I can think of another corps that was threatening gate staff in Rochester but no mention was ever made by DCA about that little incident. They never got in trouble. The organization was asked to deal with those members. If this was any other corps in the circuit there would be a lot more public defense for them. Everyone seems to have it out for the Renegades and specifically Lee Rudnicki. Lee can stir the pot and challenge the traditional school of thought and is frankly a brilliant mind. I know that because I worked with him with the Skyliners. Also it is apparently okay to trash the Renegades for something that happened that none of you know about and then justify your criticisms by saying you are big fans. I guarantee if Lee had not posted anything publicly then everyone would be demanding answers as to what happened on top of creating stories. Now since he did try to appease the masses a little, everyone says it should've stayed behind closed doors while still demanding to know what happened. What is wrong with this society? In the last 72 hours I've seen people in my job, my marching band and the drum corps community turn on each other like rabid wolves. Out of hand. If you don't know what happened then don't lay blame and if you have a personal conflict with someone then don't air your dirty laundry in public. Just an opinion of someone who's been in the activity, seen a lot and doesn't hide his identity on a message board. The dislike button is over here. --------------------> I completely disagree with you... The agreement between the Renegades and DCA as DCA understood it to be was that it was not to be discussed. That NO announcement was going to be made and that it was a 1 year suspension. What would have happened if Lee had not started his threads is that sometime in the offseason the Renegades would have said they were not coming in 2013. It probably would not have been speculated upon since Renegades cash flow issues are well known. So they would have stayed away for the season, no explanation would be necessary as no major questions would have been asked. The result... Renegades would be back at DCA in 2014. Now perhaps the powers that be at DCA may rethink allowing them/US back ever. No one is owed an explanation or an apology... But the spokesperson should probably restrain his amazing mind and tongue in an effort to quell growing desent amongst those who like the world better without the unnecessary drama! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Ed, the proper reaciton from corps management with the couple of individuals who ended up bombed was to tell them they were no longer welcome to come back. This was also done at Westshore to a couple of the notorious individuals in that vein. In the 2 I saw very first hand (1 alcohol related, the other not), the not welcome back sign started right then. W... 1984 Little League World Series gig we did in Williamsport with the 6 week corps... aka how the main guard went from 6 members to 3 soon as BusMang Barney found out what was going on.... Edited October 15, 2012 by JimF-LowBari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylinersop16 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 The agreement between the Renegades and DCA as DCA understood it to be was that it was not to be discussed. Then why would DCA release this before any of these threads started? As was said. It was bad form by both parties, not just the Renegades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBD Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 I completely disagree with you... The agreement between the Renegades and DCA as DCA understood it to be was that it was not to be discussed. That NO announcement was going to be made and that it was a 1 year suspension. What would have happened if Lee had not started his threads is that sometime in the offseason the Renegades would have said they were not coming in 2013. It probably would not have been speculated upon since Renegades cash flow issues are well known. So they would have stayed away for the season, no explanation would be necessary as no major questions would have been asked. The result... Renegades would be back at DCA in 2014. Now perhaps the powers that be at DCA may rethink allowing them/US back ever. No one is owed an explanation or an apology... But the spokesperson should probably restrain his amazing mind and tongue in an effort to quell growing desent amongst those who like the world better without the unnecessary drama! Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Boo Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Mr Boo,The Swift family meat packing company has taken exception to your inference that our company tenderizes our puppies by drop kicking them thru goalposts. I can assure you that only the most humane methods are used in the process and tenderization of all our dogs. I'm sure the dogs appreciate that. They have enough on their minds now that Michael Vick has announced that he has recently purchased a dog. Michael Vick...football...goal posts...dogs...What could possibly go wrong? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Detweiler Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Wow, this Renegades stuff still being tossed around? I thought this would have died out by now...perhaps it needs to. (Hint, hint) Dan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contra94 Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Wow, this Renegades stuff still being tossed around? I thought this would have died out by now...perhaps it needs to. (Hint, hint) Dan Waffles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Dear DCA Board, This is killing me to be on opposite sides of the fence from friends of mine, but I have to set this record straight. I will also offer a solution, so please hear me out. Please note, I am speaking for the Renegades, and I have the authority to do so. Ready? Here we go. The official DCA press release just went out that said the Renegades "agreed" to be suspended from DCA for the 2013 season. For the record, let me clarify this, and this is the official position of the drum corps. First, the San Francisco Renegades organization does NOT agree that our entire corps should be suspended from DCA for any period of time. Period. Second, please note -- I am not defending rock star-like behavior by anyone. Maybe it has no place in DCA for good. But the official policy of kicking an entire corps out based upon the actions of a few members is misguided and wrong, my friends. It hurts drum corps and should be reversed. Now, to clarify our press release "agreement" for everyone -- A former board member of the Renegades, who was not at DCA 2012, was in discussions with DCA about this. He agreed with DCA, the Renegades would be suspended. Everybody also agreed at that time to not tell anyone about the suspension, other than maybe the Renegades board at some point. Plan -- the Renegades would simply not go to DCA 2013, without explanation. No one was going to tell the activity that a corps got kicked out, and no one told the 100 innocent Renegades who were affected by this decision. I know this was no grand cover up evil scheme by DCA, you're good guys. This was a case of people trying their best in a scary and stupid situation. But the decision that came out of that stress was sadly wrong. In Renegades land, when the news broke that "we" just agreed to be kicked out of DCA because of the alleged actions of a few members, in the middle of a hotel that was problem since Day 1, including Renegades having stuff stolen from their locked rooms .. well, let's just say we had one less board member five minutes later. At the request of a weeping board member, I contacted DCA and told them the Renegades did not agree to be kicked out. Now, we're being held to representative #1's email where he agreed to one of the worst collective decisions in DCA history. I'm sorry, I have no personal animosity here, but that decision was crazy. To avoid any confusion, let me say a few things on behalf of the San Francisco Renegades to DCA, out here in public. We don't agree with the suspension at all, as a matter of policy. Second -- I hereby officially and publicly request and appeal DCA's decision to suspend the Renegades, and I assert that the Renegades should be allowed back into DCA competition. Whatever that process means, whatever rules you have to pass, bylaws, voting among the corps - I request that happen, right now. If it comes to a vote among the corps, and everyone does not want Renegades, vote us out. We'll walk away quietly. But I think this is the last chance to turn this around and we want to stay in the family. Everyone on all sides please put the egos in check, the stakes are too high. Personally, I think the policy should be reversed, and the Renegades should be allowed into DCA 2013. I also think Renegades and DCA should form a task force, I am happy to join, to help enact policies for the health and safety of all DCA corps members, to be applied equally to every DCA corps, and to help get the DCA marketing and finance plan on track for DCA and into the modern times. Maybe DCA does not want my help, but I am publicly offering it. But if you kick my corps to the ground, we're on opposite sides of the fence, my friends. In Conclusion -- Emotions are running high, but a lot of consecutive mistakes were made here. It's time to correct all of them in a way that does not hurt drum corps more than has already happened. Lee At no time do I see an apology that the actions of a few, caused hurt for many...members, alumni and fans. that's a HUGE thing that could help any "demands" being made 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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