BRASSO Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) So, it's now 5 days into this thread. Have The Cadets innovated yet? -Mike No. They will wait till day " 10 ", then unleash an other worldly innovation that will be felt all the way from Silicon Valley to M.I.T. Edited July 9, 2015 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowtown Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 The Cadets need to update their uniform. The look is too restrictive for the current design trends. I'm not talking a wholesale revamp, but it definitely needs to be modernized. Following the pack is the opposite of innovation. it’s fine if you want them to be more like Crown or Blue Devils but I prefer variety. The way it’s headed, marching a traditional yet challenging drill will be innovative as everything old is new again and not many are even attempting it 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 (edited) agreed. Edited July 9, 2015 by xandandl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Following the pack is the opposite of innovation. it’s fine if you want them to be more like Crown or Blue Devils but I prefer variety. The way it’s headed, marching a traditional yet challenging drill will be innovative as everything old is new again and not many are even attempting it Agreed. However, I'm not sure how keeping the same look for close to 80 years is breaking down barriers either. And sure, marching a traditional show may be different than what most others are doing right now, but it's not by definition, innovative. But that's admittedly splitting hairs to a degree. Look... all I'm wanting is to see the Cadets be the ones to take the activity in a new direction. I'm not particular in how they do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Agreed. However, I'm not sure how keeping the same look for close to 80 years is breaking down barriers either. And sure, marching a traditional show may be different than what most others are doing right now, but it's not by definition, innovative. But that's admittedly splitting hairs to a degree. Look... all I'm wanting is to see the Cadets be the ones to take the activity in a new direction. I'm not particular in how they do it. How much of the desire for innovation is but motivated by ................................................boredom? Or the inability to nuance to a deeper understanding? In other words, novelty in an era of Adult Deficit Syndrome as a pandemic? (I deliberately did not use the word Disorder so as to not be judgmental of the person, just splitting the concept.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris ncsu Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 How much of the desire for innovation is but motivated by ................................................boredom? Or the inability to nuance to a deeper understanding? In other words, novelty in an era of Adult Deficit Syndrome as a pandemic? (I deliberately did not use the word Disorder so as to not be judgmental of the person, just splitting the concept.) I don't know if I'd use the same terminology, but I thought about this, too -- we're used to more going on on the field the last 5 years or so (maybe 10 if you stretch back to The Zone), and when there isn't it seems incomplete or not totally satisfying to the senses. The same must have been true when Cadets and Cavies were doing very interesting things with drill in the mid-80s and other corps were slow to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Yes, we have had development in the activity Visually but not really drill wise. Cadets, in fact, have been highly criticized when they have attempted Visual adaptions beyond drill (radio stageset, Barber Towers, Presidential platform, etc., and for some, even The Door.) In the activity as a whole, there is little drill development this season. Cadets, SCV, Bluecoats have wonderfully flowing drill shows.But I can't think of any corps doing amazing moves that are new or unique, save for Crown reversing the directions of moves they have previously done. It's a great music season across the board. Drill wise (as distinct from Visual in toto) not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 How much of the desire for innovation is but motivated by ................................................boredom? Or the inability to nuance to a deeper understanding? In other words, novelty in an era of Adult Deficit Syndrome as a pandemic? (I deliberately did not use the word Disorder so as to not be judgmental of the person, just splitting the concept.) As I alluded to about 70 posts ago: "Isn't the issue really one of stagnation in the activity in general, and maybe Cadets are guilty of it as much as any. Isn't it all a little boring now? Scripted, again? Compulsory body movement and "transitions" to be "in the game" with those at the top. Pre-show, opener, ballad, compulsory triple-tonging and bug-squashing, WGI-ish tarps to fill in creativity voids to attain GE. I'd bet pretty confidently that it's felt up and down the ranks of corps directors, too. Is there more to all of this stuff that's actually better at selling tickets to fund corps to do shows where we sell tickets to fund corps..." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 How much of the desire for innovation is but motivated by ................................................boredom? Or the inability to nuance to a deeper understanding? In other words, novelty in an era of Adult Deficit Syndrome as a pandemic? (I deliberately did not use the word Disorder so as to not be judgmental of the person, just splitting the concept.) What Garfield said to some degree, sure. But again, over the past couple of years, I feel Cadets have been trying to adapt to the rules of a game that other corps have defined. And that is always the nature of how this activity has evolved over the decades. I simply want to see them making the rules again. That's all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Agreed. However, I'm not sure how keeping the same look for close to 80 years is breaking down barriers either. And sure, marching a traditional show may be different than what most others are doing right now, but it's not by definition, innovative. But that's admittedly splitting hairs to a degree. Look... all I'm wanting is to see the Cadets be the ones to take the activity in a new direction. I'm not particular in how they do it. Who's really innovative this year? Probably Bluecoats doing their electronic modern thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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