New World-Class Criteria

[Jeff Ream]

8 hours ago, Poppycock said:

Why would they 

because some of them may be on the shakiest ground

[JimF-LowBari]

8 hours ago, Poppycock said:

Cadets were their own worst enemy. Cadets allowed an insecure narcissist primadona pick his own board, hire and fire anyone at will, control USBands,  declare himself CEO, director of two corps, show designer, tour manager, fun raiser, marketing director and accountant. If the Cadets were still medaling he most likely would still be running it all, but doubt alumni would admit to that truth. IMO the chickens have come home to roost. 

But still considered an elite corps so would not be checked.... that was my point

[cixelsyd]

On 11/22/2019 at 6:59 PM, JimF-LowBari said:

So what is written in DCI policy on when to count members and allow/not allow a corps on the field? Is anything written?

The member minimum is a written rule.  Written rules apply to every contest.

On 11/23/2019 at 3:27 PM, xandandl said:

usually counts were only at Championships (although sometimes at Regionals if there was a rumor of a challenge) by the contest committee (T. DiCarlo and krew.)

This is clearly false.  I already gave an example of counting being done at an early-season show in 2002.  If that is not sufficiently convincing, then consider Spirit of Newark in 2010.  They appeared at six shows, three of which became exhibition performances:

7/17 Groton, CT - 53.8

7/24 Warrenton, VA - 52.4

8/3 Erie, PA - exhibition

8/6 Greendale, WI - exhibition

8/7 Belding, MI - 58.65

8/8 Dayton, OH - exhibition

I witnessed one of these performances myself, noticing that they were under 30 members.  Sure enough, they were not scored that day.  

[cixelsyd]

22 hours ago, garfield said:

What is the "DCI Executive Board"? 

 

22 hours ago, garfield said:

Again, what is the "Executive Board"?

I think this term was made up out of whole cloth to support a notion of a "deep state" in DCI.  How silly.

The "executive board" is what DCI now call their Board of Directors.  Explanation:

In the early years of DCI, the member corps directors were, literally, the DCI "board of directors".  As membership grew to over 20 corps, it became cumbersome to herd that many cats together to perform all the BoD functions.  A smaller committee of roughly nine people was formed to make more frequent meetings practical.  This committee was called the Executive Committee.  Many of the more mundane BoD functions were delegated to this Executive Committee, while major procedural issues such as voting on rules remained with the full board of member corps directors.

Whether official or not, the DCI Executive Committee was often referred to as the "Executive BoD" or "Executive Board".

Fast-forward to the present.  The body of member corps directors is no longer referred to as a "board of directors".  What was the Executive Board is now simply called the DCI Board of Directors.  It is still made up of roughly nine people, still does most of the BoD functions, but major procedural issues such as voting on rules still remain with the full body of member corps directors.

[cixelsyd]

On 11/24/2019 at 8:03 AM, JimF-LowBari said:

Has the BoD ever overturned anything the Executive Board enacted? No idea so asking.

Yes.  The G7 proposal was an example.  The Executive Board not only had its action overturned, but also had two members replaced by the full membership in their special meeting via teleconference less than a week later.

[cixelsyd]

21 hours ago, garfield said:

We're talking about the 55/110 mins, right?  And how they came to be, right?  And how that process of coming to be might be different than other processes of things being "codified" into process.  It seems as if you, or someone here, made a contention, or distinction, that the 150 to 154 rule was an adjudicated event at a Janual or some other group meeting, and the 55/110 rule was made in some other way distinctly not that.  To paraphrase: "The upper limit gets voted but the lower minimum gets..." if I recall.  Now there are tin-foil-hat-wearing posters talking about a "deep state", and "#NotMyDCI.  Bwahahahaha!!  When that tripe is thrown out I'm always going to force specifics.  Without specifics it's just a molotov cocktail from a drive-by that far too many, what, "younger" fans take seriously.

Fair enough.

The "specifics": member minimum is a contest rule.  Contest rules are subject to a rule change process which takes place every two years per a set schedule, and ultimately requires ratification from the full body of voting member corps directors.

No such vote has yet taken place on either of these changes (from 30 to 55 members minimum, or for the new higher minimum of 110 for WC).  Regardless, they are being published on DCI.org as part of their revised Policies and Procedures.  DCI is breaking their own rules in doing this.

So you object to the "deep state" characterization.  What would you prefer to call it when some subset of organizational governance oversteps their authority?

[Poppycock]

9 hours ago, Jeff Ream said:

because some of them may be on the shakiest ground

May or may not be. Give us some names please!

Edited November 25, 2019 by Poppycock

[Poppycock]

3 hours ago, JimF-LowBari said:

But still considered an elite corps so would not be checked.... that was my point

Perhaps by your standards they are. A lot of people I know in No. Cal. wouldn't agree.

Edited November 25, 2019 by Poppycock

[JimF-LowBari]

17 minutes ago, Poppycock said:

Perhaps by your standards they are. A lot of people I know in No. Cal. wouldn't agree.

I was thinking of placings each year at DCI Finals.... reading the info it appears where a corps places is what matters in DCI policy. What else do you think DCI would consider elite

Edited November 25, 2019 by JimF-LowBari

[garfield]

1 hour ago, cixelsyd said:

 

The "executive board" is what DCI now call their Board of Directors.  Explanation:

In the early years of DCI, the member corps directors were, literally, the DCI "board of directors".  As membership grew to over 20 corps, it became cumbersome to herd that many cats together to perform all the BoD functions.  A smaller committee of roughly nine people was formed to make more frequent meetings practical.  This committee was called the Executive Committee.  Many of the more mundane BoD functions were delegated to this Executive Committee, while major procedural issues such as voting on rules remained with the full board of member corps directors.

Whether official or not, the DCI Executive Committee was often referred to as the "Executive BoD" or "Executive Board".

Fast-forward to the present.  The body of member corps directors is no longer referred to as a "board of directors".  What was the Executive Board is now simply called the DCI Board of Directors.  It is still made up of roughly nine people, still does most of the BoD functions, but major procedural issues such as voting on rules still remain with the full body of member corps directors.

Ohhh!  The reference is to "voting members".  Gotcha.  This group is elected from the larger membership.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2019 by garfield