Jeff Ream Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, garfield said: Don't know. But someone better tell her that she forgot to sign the Proposal Form. That, apparently and according to prior posts, is a big thing. If anyone in the room actually cares Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 7 hours ago, garfield said: Oh, and Marie Czapinski didn't even submit an official Proposal form. Hmmm... By earlier reasoning, it's likely to be tabled for two years until she learns the proper procedure. /s lots of it. I’m sure she’ll take it out on Cavies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Poppycock said: And which organization(s) stands up and says NO! we’re not going to do that. What happens to them? Buhbye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 hours ago, Poppycock said: Designers, staff, costume, flag, props and instrument manufacturers are all driving the individual organization budgets. All in the name of providing more inclusion and member experience. Doesn’t take much to figure out who stands to benefit. How many former directors now work for suppliers/vendors/manufacturers? It’s the drum corps version of political lobbying 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppycock Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Glenn426 said: I'm curious to know what you think the intent of the proposal is? $$$ for those who provide products and instructional services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 hours ago, garfield said: What in the world would I have to be hiding in any of this? I'm just asking for some rationality in looking at these proposals! All this tin-foil hat stuff... You're right, Poppycock is certainly entitled to state his opinion but I'm also entitled to call out BS when I believe I'm seeing it. I won't disagree that you find some of his posts "insightful" or "reasonable" - that's YOUR opinion - but, on this one, I think he's crafting reasons to foment distrust in what DCI does and assigning meaning to what is really only his negative speculation on ulterior motives. DCI can document committees and meetings and processes and SME's but, still, the opinion is that there's some nefarious alter-reason and any call out of BS is taken as an intent to hide some made up truth. Presume Positive Intent. Start with that. Presume the SME's are there for a reason, given deference and respect, and actions were developed after consideration of their, and other, input. To ask such is not evidence of a cover up. Respect is earned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppycock Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Jeff Ream said: How many former directors now work for suppliers/vendors/manufacturers? It’s the drum corps version of political lobbying Ding ding ding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 hours ago, garfield said: I'm sorry, but this sounds like stuff from a grade school recess. You're making contentions that DCI's proposals (I presume many, if not all) are motivated by career and financial gain of adults in the activity and the burden of proof lies with you, not with me when I call BS. Until you do that, I can call it a BS contention and dismiss it out of hand, which is what I've done. Hitchens (na, na na, na na, nahhhh) Yet it’s been discussed privately by many some of this was coming. I know I’ve received messages.... but I haven’t divulged who from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn426 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 So assuming this passes. How do you think your corps will use the any instruments rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Scooter Pirtle said: Ironic to think that DCI went on the record in 1975 permanently opposing the adoption of three valve bugles! (Drum Corps News inadvertently left out the word “valved” in its article): Irony is on the DCA side Hy Dreitzer said he didn’t care if they went to 6 valves as long as they stayed in G. And IIRC 2 valves were in use 1979 Edited January 5, 2020 by JimF-LowBari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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