Jeff Ream Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 30 minutes ago, Sh0uldN0t said: Why this thread should be closed? And why many of you should recalibrate your outrage? There was no guilty plea. The headline is wrong and driving misconstrued notions as a result. well kinda...from the link below there's a key phrase: In a no contest plea, a defendant does not admit guilt, but concedes that prosecutors have sufficient evidence to secure a conviction. It carries the same weight at sentencing as a guilty plea. https://www.mcall.com/news/police/mc-nws-george-hopkins-yea-sexual-assault-hearing-20200924-eo3p52o7bve4bot2e73pu2tuw4-story.html 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sh0uldN0t Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 If they were the same, they would be called the same thing. No contest isn't a guilty plea because it's different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, TenHut said: Drum corps celebrates predators??? Get the heck out of here with this crap. Shame on you. No one celebrates predators. sadly in the past drum corps did 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sh0uldN0t said: If they were the same, they would be called the same thing. No contest isn't a guilty plea because it's different. the stigma is there and on his record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVG_DC Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Sh0uldN0t said: If they were the same, they would be called the same thing. No contest isn't a guilty plea because it's different. They have the same effect for his sentencing for the criminal case. The only difference is the "no contest" plea can't be used against him in any civil proceedings that would follow. Since there's no discussion of any civil suits in this conversation a "no contest" is essentially the same as a "guilty" in the criminal suit as a plea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenHut Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: sadly in the past drum corps did Tell us who in the drum corps activity celebrated predators and when. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sh0uldN0t Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: the stigma is there and on his record. The stigma is yours. The record is no conviction, no guilty plea. Nolo contendere means only a choice to not contest the charge (and accept possible punishment ). The headline is wrong. Asserting that he is guilty under the law is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVG_DC Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Sh0uldN0t said: The stigma is yours. The record is no conviction, no guilty plea. Nolo contendere means only a choice to not contest the charge (and accept possible punishment ). The headline is wrong. Asserting that he is guilty under the law is wrong. The effect is the same in the criminal case. Man...I'm not sure why you're putting so much energy into a guy who, when charged with indecent assault to the point the judge called him disgusting, basically said, "I'm not gonna say I didn't." 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiBoyinLA Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, C.Holland said: But it is perfectly legal to refuse service. They can decline to sell him a ticket. Pubs, clubs, stadiums, all have no sell lists. This is the correct answer. DCI also can direct its member corps not to issue him an entry pass and discourage him from being around students. All of that is well within DCI’s legal rights. This should be a no-brainer. There are a lot of incorrect statements about “the law” in this thread. Signed, A lawyer since 1992 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sh0uldN0t Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, TenHut said: Tell us who in the drum corps activity celebrated predators and when. I can't tell you about the celebrating. I can tell you many of those participating in this discussion chose to ignore the infractions of leaders of their favorite corps while roasting this one for everything. George wasn't the first leader to do something wrong. But he was the one least willing to be cowed by the aging orthodoxy that somehow thought drum corps wouldn't have evolved but for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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