Ageout numbers 2022

[CAtenhut]

I counted 45 in Mandarins' photo. 

[Den8uml]

7 hours ago, Musicman1084 said:

Boston has Instagram photos of their age-outs. They have one mass photo, but in that photo it appears there are only ~8 percussionists, vs the next photo which shows 15 percussionists. The mass photo has 43 without those extra percussionists.

Someone else should confirm, but piecing those together it looks like roughly 50 age-outs for Boston (including only 13 in guard).

Boston has a lot of percussion. It’s concerning. But excited to see minimal brass and guard age outs! 

[CrownBariDad]

24 in Pacific Crest's FB photo. 

[Boss Anova]

10 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

The real predictor of future success is the number of returning vets.  And we won’t have a good idea about those numbers until winter.   But, the fewer age-outs, the bigger the pool of potential returning vets

Both show design and instruction trumps in importance to “ future success “the numbers of “returning vets “ to corps .    BD had one of the lowest numbers of “returning vets “of any world class corps  . But they filled their 2022 roster with talented vets with experience in other corps .  It might be helpful to keep in mind also that many  expected “ returning vets “  that are age eligible wind up not “ returning “ . For any number of reasons : . They move on to another Corps, they decide one year was enough , or for financial reasons or they lost  their spot in line to a more talented auditioneer found by staff at winter audition camps … or for several other reasons . 

Edited August 15, 2022 by Boss Anova

[Vidal28Rdg]

In any case keep y’all’s eyes on the HS ranks and all the various circuits in percussion, guard, winds, there are and see how the activity there is shaping up for 2023, who knows what current college-aged DCI students will be doing and how they’ll grow in the coming months, but at least from what we’re able to see in the marching band world, 2021 was a fantastic year, I would expect this upcoming 2022 fall season to be great as well!! Hopefully even better! 

[PopcornEater1963]

Not quoting this as gospel, but I'm fairly sure Cavaliers have 46 ageouts instead of 38. Not sure where the 38 came from ( i.e. counting heads in a photo or a published list) and can't guarantee 46 is correct. My information is anecdotal. 

Edited August 15, 2022 by PopcornEater1963

[MedicineMan]

20 hours ago, IllianaLancerContra said:

The real predictor of future success is the number of returning vets.  And we won’t have a good idea about those numbers until winter.   But, the fewer age-outs, the bigger the pool of potential returning vets

Exactly as you state. ;  its all about the number of  returning Vets to the organization.  From this list Crown had the highest number ;  Crossmen had the lowest number.  Crown came in 4 th and was in the thick of things with regards to a potential medal ;  Crossmen came in 13 th and never really materialized as a competitive corps against the top 10.  So now the conundrum ;  does a next year age out for the  2023 season  go back to his 11 th through 16 th place corps  in an attempt to build on that success or does the performer move on to a top 6 corps.  Or does the performer say ;  hey DCI was great; loved the experience, but I have had enough and does not return to any organization the following year.  It would be really nice to be able to track this data to see where performers go year after year.  I think that it would help both a drum corps administration and staff to see what adjustments they need to make for future years.   An administration may think ; well we provided good  this , that ,etc, etc,  and everything else so lets continue as we have done in the past; but if  the numbers say : hey the food on tour was top notch , but your retention numbers are dismal; then
the administration really need to reevaluate what they are providing to the marching members.The one thing that we do know it that the top 6 corps do not have any problem recruiting and the 11 th through 16 th place corps ; year after year are  view as " well they look like a very young corp this year ".  

No doubt that staff makes a huge contribution in retention;  nothing tells you  this this  better than the 2016 to 2017 staff changes with the Boston Crusaders. 12 th place finish to 6 th place.  When I marched in Crossmen in the late 70's and early 80's this was not that unusual ; heck Crossmen was the leader back then in bouncing around.  But in contemporary drum corps this just does not happen; just look at the Blue Stars or  the Mandarins. Great organizations; terrific staffs, talented performers, but still not quite in the orbit for potential metal.

This would never happen and it would make for some very angry folks and potentially back fire, but I would like to see some type of rule that if a corps member is lets say 19 or younger; he or she is required to stay in the same organization for lets say maybe 2 seasons.  Once they turn 20 then they can move on.  All professional sports ;  ie MLB, NFL, NBA, NHL, has some attempt to achieve some parity ;  ie : college draft; mid season trades; etc.   Obviously this is never going to happen, but in this day and age for DCI ;  performers are just as talented as many of these young sports professionals.

 But statistics don't lie ;  40 % of DCI championships have been won by the Blue Devils,  9 out of the 12 DCI finalists have been in the Saturday show since 2013.  No doubt that retention plays some role ; maybe the status quo is  a good  thing ;  but at least having meaningful discussion on the topic is also good for the organization.

[2muchcoffeeman]

2 minutes ago, MedicineMan said:

  its all about the number of  returning Vets to the organization.  From this list Crown had the highest number ;  Crossmen had the lowest number.

1. How do you know this

2. Is that data publicly available for all WC and OC corps?

3. If so, how does one obtain it

[DFA1970]

21 hours ago, Chief Guns said:

Can't confirm, but I heard BD only has around 25 age outs. 

BD started with 143 newbies and 20ish vets give or take.

[RetiredMusTeach]

Music City had only 15 age outs.