wolfgang Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) This could go in all sorts of political directions, but because it does affect at least the California corps, it is a relevant topic. I read an article earlier this week that mentioned as of 12/31/23, any new semi tractor sold in California must be electric. Existing inventory can be used but when replaced would need to be EV. The costs for these are much higher than for diesel trucks, with many smaller trucking firms opting to go out of business. Whether a corps owns their own semi, or leases, the costs would go much higher either way. (Side note- depending on how California corps procure drivers, if a number of California truckers sell their rigs but still have a valid CDL, there may be a larger pool of California-based truckers available to drive corps semis cross country if the price for their driving services is agreeable). This does not take into account the distance a fully charged, loaded truck could travel, nor the time involved in charging, nor availability of chargers for Semis in Ogden, UT, Allentown, PA, Hattiesburg, MS , and other places. Note- the article was about semi tractors. I do not know if California has passed any rules regarding busses. If there is a parallel law or effort in California to mandate EV busses, that would also apply. Edited September 20, 2023 by wolfgang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSnareDrummer Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, wolfgang said: This could go in all sorts of political directions, C'mon, what are the odds of that happening here? Which is why my only reply is, those are some very interesting questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopeck Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 As I read the EV semi can only go around 250 miles without a recharge and that recharge takes around 1.5 hours. Not to mention the lack of infrastructure available to recharge at this time. It will certainly limit the touring capability of a corps. And the initial cost will be quite expensive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 How many Corps (California or otherwise) own their tractors vs rent? I know most Corps own trailers, but rent busses & tractors. And if rent, rent from out of state. IIRC BD busses in 2023 were from Mississippi or Alabama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenHut Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 2 hours ago, wolfgang said: This could go in all sorts of political directions, but because it does affect at least the California corps, it is a relevant topic. I read an article earlier this week that mentioned as of 12/31/23, any new semi tractor sold in California must be electric. Existing inventory can be used but when replaced would need to be EV. The costs for these are much higher than for diesel trucks, with many smaller trucking firms opting to go out of business. Whether a corps owns their own semi, or leases, the costs would go much higher either way. (Side note- depending on how California corps procure drivers, if a number of California truckers sell their rigs but still have a valid CDL, there may be a larger pool of California-based truckers available to drive corps semis cross country if the price for their driving services is agreeable). This does not take into account the distance a fully charged, loaded truck could travel, nor the time involved in charging, nor availability of chargers for Semis in Ogden, UT, Allentown, PA, Hattiesburg, MS , and other places. Note- the article was about semi tractors. I do not know if California has passed any rules regarding busses. If there is a parallel law or effort in California to mandate EV busses, that would also apply. Cali is the dumbest state in the nation. Good lord, what a disaster. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawdn Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 (edited) @wolfgang Could you please provide a source? I am reading that manufacturers of commercial trucks are required to begin offering EV trucks in CA in 2024 but there is a transition during which the required percentage of EVs increases, to 100% in 2045. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128652_california-mandate-electric-trucks-all-ev-by-2045 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/climate/california-electric-trucks-emissions.html Edited September 20, 2023 by lawdn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdaddy Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 Good to see California being a small part of a holistic solution to a problem we will all have to reckon with sooner rather than later. And here's hoping that technology continues to improve to lessen the impact of infrastructure requirements and to reduce costs. Solar energy was once cost prohibitive but is now cost effective. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keystone3ply Posted September 20, 2023 Share Posted September 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, lawdn said: @wolfgang Could you please provide a source? I am reading that manufacturers of commercial trucks are required to begin offering EV trucks in CA in 2024 but there is a transition during which the required percentage of EVs increases, to 100% in 2045. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1128652_california-mandate-electric-trucks-all-ev-by-2045 https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/climate/california-electric-trucks-emissions.html Yup; more lies & false information. Maybe he can share some of the latest conspiracy theories? 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deftguy Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 hours ago, TenHut said: Cali is the dumbest state in the nation. Good lord, what a disaster. The information you are quoting is incorrect, so I will accept your retraction on this statement. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TenHut Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) With or without an EV truck mandate, Cali is a terribly run state. People are speaking with their feet & $. Edited September 21, 2023 by TenHut 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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