MikeN Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 13 hours ago, bonesjones89 said: Isn’t there a statute of limitations for these things? 42 years ago seems….ridiculous Sorry - didn't see if this was answered. During the "me too" era, NJ allowed certain exceptions to the statute of limitations for cases of sexual assault, and this one did fit that legal criteria. -Mike 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 2 hours ago, Terri Schehr said: I talked to my bf down here who is one of the original survivors. It was clear to me that there was institutionalized dysfunction in the organization for decades. Even before you know who. She was in the Plebes so her knowledge goes way back. She is from Garfield. yeah. i mean i have no idea what the ultimate reason for the lawsuit was. i don't want to speculate. it's just sad the event happened to where it got to this point, as well as every other thing mentioned now 6 years ago this week that caused the original explosion. i feel bad for the thousands that did things the right way and had no knowledge, as well those personally affected by the horrible actions. and yes people will say some there should have known...well, apparently if people didn't come forward, all you had was rumor and innuendo if even that. you can't blow whistles on rumor alone. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewArpege Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Unbelievably sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 52 minutes ago, Geneva said: I cannot believe how incredibly unfair this result of the action by one individual over 40 years ago is to this organization. To think that the Cadets and the entire drum corps world should sustain such a loss is hard to understand. Is this really the desired remedy sought after by the plaintiff?! The memories and sense of accomplishment that future members are now denied as had past members and the drum corps community received. This is in no way justice. well...reading between the lines of the press release....due to other issues well publicized 6 years ago this week, no insurance company was going to touch the corps with a 10 foot pole. so while this one incident may be the final nail in the coffin, other incidents put the other nails in. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 57 minutes ago, Geneva said: I cannot believe how incredibly unfair this result of the action by one individual over 40 years ago is to this organization. To think that the Cadets and the entire drum corps world should sustain such a loss is hard to understand. Is this really the desired remedy sought after by the plaintiff?! The memories and sense of accomplishment that future members are now denied as had past members and the drum corps community received. This is in no way justice. So blame the victim? 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimwolf359 Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 Is there any indication that DCI will make a statement about this or will they just ignore what happened to one of their Founding Member Corps? I'm guessing the latter. FHNSAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiga Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 55 minutes ago, jwillis35 said: This is very true. In some ways you might say the Garfield Cadets were lucky to not have folded in the late 70s or early 80s. Being one of the older corps they were never setup for modern drum corps travel, education, and funding like many non-profits were that began in the 70s, 80s, or 90s (and this is not to say those groups were all setup perfectly either). The Cadets were essentially a church corps established for parades. Like many neighborhood corps of the 1920s, 30s, and 40s most of those groups do not exist today. I'm not sure if Madison and Cavaliers are the only two left. I don't think Racine Scouts are around anymore...or are they? But there is a reason most corps that were founded in the early 20th Century are no longer around. What kept them afloat (Garfield)? It was not GH as some might say (despite all his criminal behavior off the field). I think they got lucky that Zingali, Sylvester, Hannum, and Jim Prime Jr came in and designed some shows (with the creative help from Cesario) that pushed the activity forward. This brought them popularity and brand name and many of the older alumni started giving again. This is what really saved them temporarily...the alumni/fans/donors and the instructional team. And even with GH robbing Peter to pay Paul (cooking the books) they managed to thrive in donor contributions and also changes in instrument deals and other spnsorships. YEA never really panned out to be the "educational" org they said it would be. To me it was more a front for money collection. But by 2017 and 2018 -- when everything comes to light with GH and others -- we all knew that should have been the knockout punch. As much as my heart is bleeding due to the loss of an iconic and historic drum corps my head says this is the way it has to be. They had chance after chance after chance to make changes. They lacked the whistle blowers who may have known what was going on and who should have stepped up back in the 80s, maybe even the late 70s, and put a stop to the methods of operation and people within (no matter how high their rank) who were commiting crimes and/or who were engaged in behaviors not conducive to safety, education, and a positive learning environment. The Garfield Cades were one of the few corps that somehow crossed the divide between the early days of drum corps in America (the neighborhood corps, Scouts groups, CYO, AL, and VFW days) to modern DCI days; BUT...that transition was frought with error that would make it difficult for them to last unless someone with real forsight and a progressive look at education, funding, safe travel, community involvement and real purpose were to redefine the corps mission statement and not just the design of a show. So even without the criminial ongoings of the corps' leader it was always going to be difficult for a corps from 1934 to navigate the modern DCI environment. Well, there's Boston, established in 1940 as The Most Precious Blood Crusaders. Nobody can accuse them of not changing with the times, on or off the field. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 58 minutes ago, jwillis35 said: This is very true. In some ways you might say the Garfield Cadets were lucky to not have folded in the late 70s or early 80s. Being one of the older corps they were never setup for modern drum corps travel, education, and funding like many non-profits were that began in the 70s, 80s, or 90s (and this is not to say those groups were all setup perfectly either). The Cadets were essentially a church corps established for parades. Like many neighborhood corps of the 1920s, 30s, and 40s most of those groups do not exist today. I'm not sure if Madison and Cavaliers are the only two left. I don't think Racine Scouts are around anymore...or are they? But there is a reason most corps that were founded in the early 20th Century are no longer around. What kept them afloat (Garfield)? It was not GH as some might say (despite all his criminal behavior off the field). I think they got lucky that Zingali, Sylvester, Hannum, and Jim Prime Jr came in and designed some shows (with the creative help from Cesario) that pushed the activity forward. This brought them popularity and brand name and many of the older alumni started giving again. This is what really saved them temporarily...the alumni/fans/donors and the instructional team. And even with GH robbing Peter to pay Paul (cooking the books) they managed to thrive in donor contributions and also changes in instrument deals and other spnsorships. YEA never really panned out to be the "educational" org they said it would be. To me it was more a front for money collection. But by 2017 and 2018 -- when everything comes to light with GH and others -- we all knew that should have been the knockout punch. As much as my heart is bleeding due to the loss of an iconic and historic drum corps my head says this is the way it has to be. They had chance after chance after chance to make changes. They lacked the whistle blowers who may have known what was going on and who should have stepped up back in the 80s, maybe even the late 70s, and put a stop to the methods of operation and people within (no matter how high their rank) who were commiting crimes and/or who were engaged in behaviors not conducive to safety, education, and a positive learning environment. The Garfield Cades were one of the few corps that somehow crossed the divide between the early days of drum corps in America (the neighborhood corps, Scouts groups, CYO, AL, and VFW days) to modern DCI days; BUT...that transition was frought with error that would make it difficult for them to last unless someone with real forsight and a progressive look at education, funding, safe travel, community involvement and real purpose were to redefine the corps mission statement and not just the design of a show. So even without the criminial ongoings of the corps' leader it was always going to be difficult for a corps from 1934 to navigate the modern DCI environment. a correction...YEA did succeed with USBands and all its other names over the years. in many ways thats what kept the corps afloat. and when the end of YEA came, that was the only thing of value left when the corps itself wanted to go off on it's own. I also feel horrible for all of those that were in Cadets2, the winter guard and CWP for their few years of existence. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 57 minutes ago, MikeN said: Yes, the pointed language in it is very surprising to see, but they've been consistent about that all along the process. 😞 Mike yeah i wasn't surprised with that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted April 3 Share Posted April 3 4 minutes ago, jimwolf359 said: Is there any indication that DCI will make a statement about this or will they just ignore what happened to one of their Founding Member Corps? I'm guessing the latter. FHNSAB as the lawsuit is still active and they are listed, i doubt it. Plus i believe Cadets membership was revoked. when the rumors of everything being sold or returned this fall surfaced, the eventual outcome was known, just not the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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