JimF-LowBari Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 "our society thinks that..." Sorry I missed the memo that says you speak for our society.... "believe in choice" yet you're saying what society thinks... Irony meter pegged..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flammaster Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 um, you missed the point - see, if an 18 yo is fit for combat, then our society thinks that an 18 should also be able to handle a boo at a band showand yes, I'd defend those that would want to boo the troops or the Cadets even if I don't agree with their boos, its called being a good American - see, 'I believe in choice', just like the banner in your sig lines claims, guessed you missed the message of your favorite show this year - kid of shows me just how ineffective their show was so go ahead, keep trying to hide behind the kids and now the troops - kind of cruddy if you ask me - so very weak yea good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlvalet Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) Maybe I missed it in an earlier post, but this is a LIE: “At no time was Mr. Hopkins anything but respectful of the contest director and the situation. After reviewing all facts in the matter, Judge Administrator John Philips, Contest Director Tony DiCarlo, and myself determined that it was in the best interest of all parties involved in the competition to withdraw the penalty,” said DCI Executive Director Dan Acheson. Anyone with a set of functioning eyeballs could see George "The Egomaniac" Hopkins giving an earfull to Dan Acheson as they were walking off the field (after the score was announced). The only thing Dan was showing George at that point was his back. And BTW, some of the booing occurred after the corps had completely left the field in Quarterfinals. I booed at this point, and it was directed squarely at George Hopkins (who was obviously being an ###). And another thing, you people who speak of the corps members as "children" and want to treat them with kid gloves...While some may be minors, these are the same people who are smoking weed before warm-ups and having sex on tour buses. So don't try and paint with a broad brush and make them out to be saints. Edited August 13, 2007 by atlvalet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prodigal bari Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 Just a few points:1) DCI (read: the corps) agreed ahead of time that the field would be repainted at each break - hashmarks included. This did not happen at the last break, so technically, any corps could have broght this up. This is why the aforementioned penalty was reversed. DCI admitted that there was a mess-up with the field lining and apologized accordingly. 2) Heard from a reliable source that another director was livid when his corps finished their show because of the condition of the field and he alerted Mr Hopkins (and others) of the situation before they went on. I believe that this director might have also requested the field to be religned if he had been alerted to it in time. In any event, it shows that maybe the other corps weren't nearly as bent out of shape over the Cadets move as the rest of us were/are. 3) "something trivial" ?? Hard to even know how to respond to this .... maybe we should just eliminate all the field markings if they are so trivial. 4) Not mentioned by this poster quoted above, but (much) earlier in this thread there was a suggestion that this was planned because the Cadets members seemed to line up so quickly and exit without asking questions so clearly they knew that "Hop" was planning this. Ridiculous. How the fact that the Cadets are such a discliplined group that when their director says "line up", they line up, can be so misunderstood (and maligned) is beyond me. On the last statement..I will agree. Having seen the pulloff at Cookeville last year, this is the corps responding immediately to instruction. No planning here; just tight discipline. And on #2...could that have been Jeff Fiedler? Understand Cavies has some issues with show due to hashes being gone. If so, then there was some fine sportsmanship going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburstall Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 The cadets wouldn't get booed and heckled if their behavior didn't #### people off.People should look at the cause, not the symptom. Maybe, just maybe the booing the symptom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 um, you missed the point - see, if an 18 yo is fit for combat, then our society thinks that an 18 should also be able to handle a boo at a band show It's not about whether or not the members are able to handle something...it's about the propriety of booing at all. Just because a person has THE right to do something does not make that 'something' right to do. so go ahead, keep trying to hide behind the kids and now the troops - kind of cruddy if you ask me - so very weak Yes, it is kind of cruddy of you to hide behind the troops in making your odious comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRMO Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 um, you missed the point - see, if an 18 yo is fit for combat, then our society thinks that an 18 should also be able to handle a boo at a band showand yes, I'd defend those that would want to boo the troops or the Cadets even if I don't agree with their boos, its called being a good American - see, 'I believe in choice', just like the banner in your sig lines claims, guessed you missed the message of your favorite show this year - kid of shows me just how ineffective their show was so go ahead, keep trying to hide behind the kids and now the troops - kind of cruddy if you ask me - so very weak I’m not hiding behind anyone so you can save your insults for the next drum corps show you attend. I have never advocated the right to boo be taken away from any idiot who feels the need to express themselves in such a disrespectful manner.My point is that booing an artistic performance is rude. Booing kids is cowardly. Do I want it banned? Heck no but I’ll call it as I see it too, rude and cowardly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 And on #2...could that have been Jeff Fiedler? Understand Cavies has some issues with show due to hashes being gone. If so, then there was some fine sportsmanship going on there. Since I didn't witness any of this myself and only heard it second or third hand (although from a reliable source), I don't want to name names in case I'm wrong. Suffice it say, though, that no matter who it was, it sure sounded like good sportsmanship to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 My point is that booing an artistic performance is rude. Booing kids is cowardly. Do I want it banned? Heck no but I’ll call it as I see it too, rude and cowardly. "Rude," okay. But how is it "cowardly"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRMO Posted August 13, 2007 Share Posted August 13, 2007 (edited) "Rude," okay. But how is it "cowardly"? Booing from the anonymity of a crowd is faceless which equals cowardly. Edited August 13, 2007 by IRMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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