HOOKEDBYLEGEND78 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 The problem exists both live and on the recordings - to me. This is one of the major reasons I have been scaling back $$$ spent on DCI-related tickets and purchases starting with 2009. And, I will once again be extrememly selective this year with how my $$$ are spent. After/as the sound on the field and on recordings improves, my $$$ should once again be spent in rediculous amounts. I look forward to that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Ten pages in and the poll suggest nearly as many people aren't worried about this going forward as are. If I'm Acheson or Cesario reading this, I might not rate this "goo" much of a priority. That projection happens to coincide with my personal view, which is this isn't much of a problem. I saw nine shows live last year and wasn't overly concerned at any of them. Maybe my hearing isn't tuned to that frequency. I don't know. I do know I can pick out most voices in most ensembles with ease. Could it be this is more an issue with recordings than it is live? I'm asking. HH IMO there is no 'issue'...this is just the usual cast of anti-electronics people on DCP trying to make something from nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOKEDBYLEGEND78 Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 IMO there is no 'issue'...this is just the usual cast of anti-electronics people on DCP trying to make something from nothing. IMO this IS an issue. Label it however you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Because fans go to see the best. Scholastic bands are the equivalent of the hundreds of little corps that nobody watched back in the day...though bands draw a LOT more than those shows did. well DCI has the best according to you, yet fans aren't coming as much. hmmmm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 This is very simple: If the balance sucks, it sucks. Any good conductor knows how to balance a full orchestra (a lot more voices than a drum corps). When you're conducting, you're constantly looking at the score, imagining the sound from the score, and checking that sound against the one produced by the musicians. How many orchestra concerts have you been to where you can see the woodwinds playing, but you can't hear them? There are many possible reasons: 1) Another voice in the orchestra is tool loud. 2) The orchestration sucks. 3) Your own hearing isn't very good. Fast-forward to a judge's responsibility, looking at a sheet, and listening to a show. He's supposed to be listening for examples of ALWAYS SUPERIOR BALANCE AND BLEND (for box 5; and 20 other possible things, depending on caption). ALL OF WHICH INCLUDE THE SYNTH. Let's assume a judge DOES penalize a corps for what they feel is an unbalanced musical idea. Said judge goes to critique, and hears this from the corps' music people "But that's what we're going for!" Now it gets tricky for the judge. Because if they are confident, they'll say something like "then you may as well not use the tubas, since I can't hear them." The Supreme Brass Staff Orators out there will say "We have no problem hearing them at all." (delivered fresh with condescending tone) And maybe they don't! It's entirely possible that the staff people CAN hear something a judge CANNOT hear. The only way to know for sure, would be for the judge and the staff to listen to a rep with and without the tubas, all other things remaining the same. And what if they STILL disagree?? Seriously, now, can you imagine how much confidence a judge would need in order to stick up for what they're ACTUALLY hearing? That would take supreme self-confidence outside the realm of reality. And even if a judge DID have that qualification, then the same judge would have to learn to put up with the self-absorbed nature of the staffs of drum corps. It's a very, very VERY difficult job, being a judge. This is why you don't hear about corps being penalized for synths. The synth (and A&E) adds an entirely new dimension to BnB that is still being worked out between judges and staffs. judges fear the consequences of taking a stand. it's the same when many of these guys judge in the band world 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lindap Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 judges fear the consequences of taking a stand. it's the same when many of these guys judge in the band world If I may paraphrase; judges may burnout when taking a stand. it's the same when many of these guys and gals judge in the band world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 09 crown last sustained note of the show... all you hear is synth that just might be my CD? mine too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 Ten pages in and the poll suggest nearly as many people aren't worried about this going forward as are. If I'm Acheson or Cesario reading this, I might not rate this "goo" much of a priority. That projection happens to coincide with my personal view, which is this isn't much of a problem. I saw nine shows live last year and wasn't overly concerned at any of them. Maybe my hearing isn't tuned to that frequency. I don't know. I do know I can pick out most voices in most ensembles with ease. Could it be this is more an issue with recordings than it is live? I'm asking. HH it sucks live too, especially in a stadium with a roof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 but this rule passage actually helps the balance of all miced and electronic instruments. So wouldn't it also help an over balanced pit along with overbalanced synth? yes. so did the sound guy up front. sorry, but I don't buy that over-used rationale anymore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 IMO there is no 'issue'...this is just the usual cast of anti-electronics people on DCP trying to make something from nothing. Mike...I see pro electronics people saying it too. Your blinders don't allow you to see that 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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