garfield Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hear this point of view expressed a lot here but don't understand it. Someone help me out. Is there anything fundamentally wrong with drum corps and band becoming more alike in the abstract? Say for instance in the 70s and 80s, high school bands succeeded in emulating drum corps more profoudly, would we be complaining about that? Or is it just electronics in the 21st Century that's at issue? HH It's not marching bands becoming more like drum corps that is the problem. The other way around? Yea, that's the problem. I was in those '70 H.S. bands trying to emulate drum corps and, No, it wasn't a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skewerz Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 It's not marching bands becoming more like drum corps that is the problem. The other way around? Yea, that's the problem. I was in those '70 H.S. bands trying to emulate drum corps and, No, it wasn't a problem. /agree Marching band has a revolving door of fans. They can change whatever they want, and as long as they have kids marching, parents will go watch. Drum corps? not so much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I was in those '70 H.S. bands trying to emulate drum corps and, No, it wasn't a problem. Can we hold that thought? If 70s bands emulating drum corps to some degree of success wasn't a problem, can we extrapolate therefore that band and drum corps converging in the 70s wasn't a problem of itself? And if that's the case, the problem isn't the convergence of drum corps and band? The problem in fact has nothing to do with band and everything to do with the changes in drum corps? Is the electronics, not the band we're complaining about? HH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerguy315 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 show after show the obnoxious goo is there. I can hear it plainly, and I know the judges and the corps music staff have better musical ears that I do. I just don't understand why this is such a big problem. It's like the judges and staff don't realize it is so heavily impacting the show... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skewerz Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) Can we hold that thought? If 70s bands emulating drum corps to some degree of success wasn't a problem, can we extrapolate therefore that band and drum corps converging in the 70s wasn't a problem of itself? And if that's the case, the problem isn't the convergence of drum corps and band? The problem in fact has nothing to do with band and everything to do with the changes in drum corps? Is the electronics, not the band we're complaining about? HH Band emulating drum corps isn't a problem...drum corps emulating band is. In the 70's, marching band was changing to be more like drum corps. Drum corps wasn't changing to become more like marching band. Marching band was decidedly "inferior" in the 70's, so in no way did drum corps want or need to emulate marching band. Today, the gap in talent is much smaller, but drum corps is still superior. Why on earth would you want to emulate something that's still "inferior"? Electronics is just the current problem to argue about. 10 years ago, it was G/Bb. Lately, it's been electronics. In a few years, it will be woodwinds. Each element is bringing drum corps down to marching bands level. Yes...bringing it down. Edited February 25, 2011 by skewerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubaJon Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Im sorry, as a tuba player myself, the use of low end amplification just erks me. Im not saying that the low end goo sounds bad because it doesnt, it better sound good if its a fake computer noise. Why cant corps just work on building their tuba line instead? And do we really need to be amplifying are front ensembles? You could hear them just fine befor. Sorry I had to vent, i feel better now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garfield Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Band emulating drum corps isn't a problem...drum corps emulating band is. In the 70's, marching band was changing to be more like drum corps. Drum corps wasn't changing to become more like marching band. Marching band was decidedly "inferior" in the 70's, so in now way did drum corps want or need to emulate marching band. Today, the gap in talent is much smaller, but drum corps is still superior. Why on earth would you want to emulate something that's still "inferior"? Electronics is just the current problem to argue about. 10 years ago, it was G/Bb. Lately, it's been electronics. In a few years, it will be woodwinds. Each element is bringing drum corps down to marching bands level. Yes...bringing it down. yep. all of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skewerz Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 Im sorry, as a tuba player myself, the use of low end amplification just erks me. Im not saying that the low end goo sounds bad because it doesnt, it better sound good if its a fake computer noise. Why cant corps just work on building their tuba line instead? And do we really need to be amplifying are front ensembles? You could hear them just fine befor. Sorry I had to vent, i feel better now this is where synths are the easy button. Lets say a corps has 30 trumpets, but only 6 tubas. This corps will most likely be top heavy and might receive less points in GE brass. A synth can cover up this imbalance. To me, that's just plain cheating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubaJon Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 this is where synths are the easy button. Lets say a corps has 30 trumpets, but only 6 tubas. This corps will most likely be top heavy and might receive less points in GE brass. A synth can cover up this imbalance. To me, that's just plain cheating. I concur with your statement wholeheardtedly sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Haring Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 I probably will never understand the need for the use of low-end synth by a DCI corps. The sizes of the top corps' brass lines have increased (on average) since the 150 rule was approved... so why, with a brass section of 70-plus players, does a corps feel the need to add that low-end "extra"? I am generally pro-electronics and always have been.... but the synth stuff, I don't get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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