cixelsyd Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 This hypothetical may be out of left field, but it is something I've wondered about. I ask this in all seriousness. I'll use Spirit as an example. Spirit opened their season on June 20, scoring 58.10. Last night in Pittsburgh (Aug 2), they scored 78.85. Now, forget about different panels, etc, Presume the same panel of judges scored both shows on the same sheets. The question I have is: Do you believe that if Spirit had performed their Aug 2 show on June 20 (precisely the same: Aug level of execution, Aug show, same everything), that they would have scored ca. 78.85? Discuss... No one would score 78.85 on June 20th. Not only would all the other corps be upset... the corps scoring the 78.85 would be upset, too. One of the objectives of the scoring system is to reflect the improvement of corps with improving scores. An opening day score of 78.85 would not leave enough room to enjoy steadily increasing scores over the course of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) No one would score 78.85 on June 20th. Not only would all the other corps be upset... the corps scoring the 78.85 would be upset, too. One of the objectives of the scoring system is to reflect the improvement of corps with improving scores. An opening day score of 78.85 would not leave enough room to enjoy steadily increasing scores over the course of the season. I think the highest starting score I've seen was a 78.5 (Blue Devils, June 20. 1997). They had a 77.5 to start 2010. Blue Devils have had starting scores in the 76's several times, in the June 18-25 range of the given year. They usually get to 80 pretty quick as well. Anyone know of a higher score out of the gate? Edited August 4, 2015 by Kamarag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamarag Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) Deleted double post. Edited August 4, 2015 by Kamarag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainshdw08 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) Honestly, I think they should get rid of all scoring that has anything to do with Decimals or a scale of 1 to 100. It's completely pointless. If we just used a score that said, you got 1st place, you got 2nd, you got 3rd and so on...this thread wouldn't even exist. lol As a Scientist, I feel Math shouldn't be used to keep score for Drum Corps as there is so much variability to that you can't track. Here are some different examples i can give: Weather - I can look at a computer as say "ok. Here's the temp, 90, here's the Humidity, 78% so that means the Heat Index is 111.8 degrees." End of story. There's no, well....I think it reads 79% humidity, not 78 so you're wrong. Sports - The Cubs scored 7 runs, the Mets scored 6, 9th inning is over, so...Cubs win, There's no, well, the ump missed his toes not hitting the 3rd base bag as he rounded 3rd to score, so really he shouldn't have scored. No, 7 to 6, end of story. Judging is all subjective, so when we see a .1 difference between corps, there is debate over what one person thought, what was in his or her brain...no anything quantifiable. But heck, what do I know. I know i've always hated this scoring system. I grew up in the "tick system" which, was supposed to be quantifiable, but it wasn't. One judge would see a mistake while maybe another wouldn't or see a different one Maybe 1st, 2nd and 3rd isn't the answer, but I don't know what else is better. Edited August 4, 2015 by rainshdw08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 No. Content is content is content. Maybe their performance scored would have been higher but their content scores would have ranked them behind let's say Cadets, Crown, Bloo etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corps Scores Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) I think the highest starting score I've seen was a 78.5 (Blue Devils, June 20. 1997). They had a 77.5 to start 2010. Blue Devils have had starting scores in the 76's several times, in the June 18-25 range of the given year. They usually get to 80 pretty quick as well. Anyone know of a higher score out of the gate? This was fun to investigate. Leaving out the Div 2-3 Corps (hopefully), here's what I see for opening scores in the DCI era (1972 or later), and assuming CorpsReps is right (tenuous): 1975 Cavaliers - 81.8 on 6/4/1975 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1975115) 1973 Royal Crusaders - 80.6 on 5/28/1973 (seems suspect but http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1973133) 1972 27th Lancers - 79.65 on 5/26/1972 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1972125) 1985 Blue Devils - 79.1 on 6/15/1985 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1985011) 1977 Blue Devils - 78.9 on 6/23/1977 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1977124) 1984 Santa Clara Vanguard - 78.7 on 6/16/1984 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1984012) 1997 Blue Devils - 78.5 on 6/20/1997 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1997128) 2002 Cadets - 78.4 on 6/22/2002 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=2002192 -- note that it was Cadets' first show and they took 2nd to Cavaliers with 81.3, but Cavaliers had several shows beforehand with lower scores) 1978 Santa Clara Vanguard - 78.1 on 6/29/1978 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1978002) 1975 Phantom Regiment - 78.0 on 6/4/1975 (http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1975115 -- Phantom took 2nd at the same show Cavaliers scored the highest opening score ever) I thought the 1975 scores were a little suspect because of the date (6/4 is pretty early for a DCI show), but FromThePressBox has the same scores, just on 6/14/75, so I guess they're legit. Edited August 4, 2015 by Corps Scores 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Somebody brings up this exact same topic every year or so. This is one of the more thoughtful discussions of it, though. It might be enlarged to consider other attempts to quantify artistic achievement. Think of star ratings for movies, for instance--or the Metacritic website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Folks, I am a little taken back by all of this speculation. The job of an adjudicator is to rank and rate on any given night, the units that are presented to him or her. There is absolutely no relevance of numbers from show to show other than achievement of criteria to place the performance in a given box. NONE,ZERO,ZIP,NILL! Comparing numbers from show to show or week to week or month to month is a distortion of the way the sheets are written and the training of the judging community. The ONLY thing that is relevant are the numbers within a given show on a given night and even that is certainly no guarantee of future achievement and so in no way should be used as any kind of barometer. Highest score wins...on THAT night. Dan Yup.... and same as it ever was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 (edited) This was fun to investigate. Leaving out the Div 2-3 Corps (hopefully), here's what I see for opening scores in the DCI era (1972 or later), and assuming CorpsReps is right (tenuous): 1973 Royal Crusaders - 80.6 on 5/28/1973 (seems suspect but http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1973133) Official Thread Drift: Yeah, you're right, there is no way that score is right. The only way The Royal Crusaders score an 80.6 is if the celebrity judge for that contest was the local mayor and he had a little too much to drink just before the show. Two-and-a-half months after that reported 80.6 the Royal Crusaders went on to finish 16th in the second DCI Finals with a score of 73.85. They just eked out a placement ahead of the 72.0 of the 17th place Garfield Cadets, and they crushed the 66.4 of the 24th place Blue Devils. http://www.corpsreps.com/scores.cfm?view=scoreshow&showid=1973043 What ever happened to that last group? Edited August 4, 2015 by wvu80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Honestly, I think they should get rid of all scoring that has anything to do with Decimals or a scale of 1 to 100. It's completely pointless. If we just used a score that said, you got 1st place, you got 2nd, you got 3rd and so on...this thread wouldn't even exist. lol Maybe 1st, 2nd and 3rd isn't the answer, but I don't know what else is better. I'm with you - I'd so much rather see a straight ordinal system. Just rank who's in front of you, nothing more, nothing less. Mike 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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