Jeff Ream Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, JimF-LowBari said: You should have been in Central PA when Sandusky came to light. When the reporter starts getting threats we’ll know how low it has sunk. And the excuses are deja vu all over again as per Yogi Berra there's already been a back channel smear campaign against Tricia to try and discredit her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: there's already been a back channel smear campaign against Tricia to try and discredit her. Wonder if by member of corps staff or “fans” of DCI. That would tell a lot about how far a clean up effort really would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 2 hours ago, cixelsyd said: Just re-reading one of your posts (emphasis mine). There's really not much of an IF about it. But sure you can consider the IF as possible but IMO only possible through willful ignorance (which is equally or possible even more damning). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: but do you not agree that there has to be some accountability for past transgressions/negligence to act? Sure... but I am way, WAY more interested in stopping current transgressions, and averting future ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: there's already been a back channel smear campaign against Tricia to try and discredit her. There should no illusions about her motivations in pursuing this story. She's not any sort of altruistic advocate for the activity. (In fact I don't think it would upset her in the least to bring the entire thing crashing down; fireworks like that just would just be gravy from her point-of-view.) That said her work so far has been careful and accurate. No reason to discredit her. Painful as it may be, drum corps was in desperate need of some very bright sunshine in all the dark corners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: Sure... but I am way, WAY more interested in stopping current transgressions, and averting future ones. I agree with this. Ferreting out any remaining existing issues, and making the current/future drum corps world transparent and safe needs to be the primary focus. Going back in time, even recent time, is valuable to show how these things happen, even with good people running the various corps. It may also provide an impetus on changes needed in DCI moving forward. But IMO the focus needs to be on cleaning the current environment and making sure the future is safe and secure, as much as is humanly possible. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, karuna said: There should no illusions about her motivations in pursuing this story. She's not any sort of altruistic advocate for the activity. (In fact I don't think it would upset her in the least to bring the entire thing crashing down; fireworks like that just would just be gravy from her point-of-view.) That said her work so far has been careful and accurate. No reason to discredit her. Painful as it may be, drum corps was in desperate need of some very bright sunshine in all the dark corners. Not sure why a reporter would or should be an advocate for anything they report about. Will let Fran explain motivation but I remember Penn State came about because the reporter had a tip about something that was unknown to the general public. She dug and presented what she found without editorializing. Chips (crap) fell on their own account Edited December 14, 2018 by JimF-LowBari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: Sure... but I am way, WAY more interested in stopping current transgressions, and averting future ones. they are tied together. Otherwise, how can you have trust going forward? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: Sure... but I am way, WAY more interested in stopping current transgressions, and averting future ones. No point in fixing the house if the foundations are rotted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: Sure... but I am way, WAY more interested in stopping current transgressions, and averting future ones. But some of the people involved as enablers in the past are still there now. Future would be safer without them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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