cixelsyd Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Do any of you really expect a BOD to fire whomever you demand, when they can see the is coming for them next anyway? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karuna Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 46 minutes ago, garfield said: And, once again, you made up a whole bunch of crap and lay it forward like it's fact. That's what is shameful on this issue, IMO. You have no idea what "directive" was given, or if there was even a specific directive given in this case that can be identified. "...knew about Larson, knew about Hopkins, knew about Fiedler..." One person claims that are not corroborated is not "documented", it's a single claim. You hit it on the head: All those "good ole boys" did, in fact, marginalize and minimize Dan's role but, for some reason, you can't seem to accept that as fact. "If he resigns now...", that's all just crap. Your opinion is valid, but it's just an opinion. Keeping Dan and his staff in place until and unless he's proven culpable in the heinous acts by his ACTUAL inaction (not his purported inaction, and not the action that would be demanded if the acts happened today) is the best way to assure that the remaining drum corps have a tour on which to perform and attract members. It's a hard business decision, but it is just a business decision and the right answer is to attack the guilty and the enablers that hired them. And Dan (former staffer, former director) isn't a good ole boy? Quote action that would be demanded if the acts happened today Mandated reporting has been the law in every state since 1967. So by "today" you mean since 1967 right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluzes Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, karuna said: DCI has a chance at surviving this #### storm. If he tries to hang on, it may very well all burn to the ground. This is more than a #### storm for dci. The Failure To Protect article paints a picture where millions of kids are at risk just going to school and being around these individuals. Has nothing to do with who played a solo decades ago or mentioning names that were not cited in the failure to protect misplaced hit piece. We all heard the rumors of folks mentioned above but none of that is making it unsafe to be on tour in 2019. All dci needs to do is clean up their act going forward. The past is the past and none of us really know what went on if things are tied up in NDA's and we may never know or even need to know. Edited December 16, 2018 by Bluzes typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) Ok so, don’t fire Acheson, don’t fire Morrison. It’s just a mob mentality. And so......what? Do nothing, because, you know, process and bylaws and such didn’t require or “allow” Acheson to act. Whether DCI dies because of the actions of predators or DCI dies due to inaction of Dan Acheson, either way, DCI dies. The ONLY logical action at this moment of crisis is to act strongly. Dan and Fred need to be gone. They are in charge of their respective organizations. That’s how it works. The message must be clearly sent that this is unacceptable. The fallout from inaction is too potentially devastating. From high schools no longer allowing access to corps to parents and families no longer allowing kids to participate to fans no longer donating time, talent and treasure. In any moment of decision the best thing to do is the right thing. The next best thing to do is the wrong thing. The worst thing to do is nothing. - Theodore Roosevelt Edited December 16, 2018 by HockeyDad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, karuna said: And Dan (former staffer, former director) isn't a good ole boy? Mandated reporting has been the law in every state since 1967. So by "today" you mean since 1967 right? So report him to the authorities if you have such proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigW Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, IllianaLancerContra said: Assumption is the mother of all foul ups (or something like that) Old saying, Assuming makes an A-Double Ess out of U and Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, karuna said: Mandated reporting has been the law in every state since 1967. And if sexual abuse was going on in the DCI office, Dan Acheson would be a mandated reporter. If it is happening somewhere else, Acheson is no more of a mandated reporter than you are. On 12/14/2018 at 7:11 PM, karuna said: In many (most) jurisdictions anyone directly involved with a youth activity has a legally mandated duty to report any suspected abuse. Okay. Now, you are aware that "directly involved" means working directly with kids, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluzes Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, HockeyDad said: Ok so, don’t fire Acheson, don’t fire Morrison. It’s just a mob mentality. And so......what? Do nothing, because, you know, process and bylaws and such didn’t require or “allow” Acheson to act. Whether DCI dies because of the actions of predators or DCI dies due to inaction of Dan Acheson, either way, DCI dies. The ONLY logical action at this moment of crisis is to act strongly. Dan and Fred need to be gone. They are in charge of their respective organizations. That’s how it works. The message must be clearly sent that this is unacceptable. The fallout from inaction is too potentially devastating. From high schools no longer allowing access to corps to parents and families no longer allowing kids to participate to fans no longer donating time, talent and treasure. In any moment of decision the best thing to do is the right thing. The next best thing to do is the wrong thing. The worst thing to do is nothing. - Theodore Roosevelt I think Morrison if he really did what the article claims needs to go. I would not put Dan in that category he still has a chance to rid the bad actors, find a way to change "Should to Shall" in his directives and enforce the changes. dci has inherited this problem, it's a disease that dci can only apply a treatment but can't cure that's up to the school Administrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, HockeyDad said: Ok so, don’t fire Acheson, don’t fire Morrison. It’s just a mob mentality. And so......what? Do nothing, because, (snip) No. Hold people accountable... when you actually KNOW they were bad actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimF-LowBari Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, cixelsyd said: And if sexual abuse was going on in the DCI office, Dan Acheson would be a mandated reporter. If it is happening somewhere else, Acheson is no more of a mandated reporter than you are. Wrong, it doesn’t matter where the suspected abuse occurs. If a mandated reporter hears about or thinks they see evidence of suspected abuse they must report it period. Have family members in teaching. If they thinking abuse is going on in the students house they must report. Not just in the school. In one case kid came to class with a bruise the shape of a hand on the face. Authorities were called immediately. Edited December 16, 2018 by JimF-LowBari 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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