Fran Haring Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, skevinp said: I think they want to stick with the ones they have. https://instantrimshot.com/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfrontz Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 hours ago, EricS said: then he should quit That's one of the most ignorant comments I've ever seen on this board, and I've been here for 17 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 hours ago, N.E. Brigand said: Well, as far as the question of having judges on the field, it works out to the same thing. So again I'd be curious to hear people's thoughts on what shows were most dangerous for judges to be on the field: meaning either dangerous for the judges or dangerous because the judges were there. I think the answer is that any show that has percussion meshing with horns and guard as the greater form is dangerous BECAUSE of the presence of judges (both for the members and the judges... but the liability mostly existing for the members). This describes essentially every show these days. It's about becoming surrounded by marching members, and then becoming stuck in a path, and making decisions without knowledge of the coming motion with no escape or 360 degree awareness of motion that can lead to a 'bump'. Bumps can split lips, crack teeth, trip/domino members (onto or into hard equipment/instruments). The rule then eliminates the possibility of immersion into the form by limiting the viewpoint to a 180 degree range of immersion (nobody needs to have eyes in the back of their head). The visual package of a show is inherently dangerous as a result of anyone that is present in the form that isn't part of the performance. It's like practing in a batting cage with someone else walking around the plate that doesn't belong there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 hours ago, stevedci said: to what extent do you think rule was more about making performance evaluations less objective - reducing the ability assess percussion up close - than safety? nope. all about visual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 hours ago, cfirwin3 said: To no extent. This was about incidents not theory. Even this thread is pointing to specific moments of conflict with judges being in the wrong place at the wrong time. On the contrary, it will be up to designers to stage the drum features so that they can get the credit they want. It's not possible to bargain with the judging panel at recaps to earn a better score for things that they couldn't see. This decision puts more pressure on the corps staff and really relieves the pressure from the judges. They said that it's about safety and it absolutely is. it's not just about drum features any more than it is about guard ensemble moments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 2 hours ago, mfrontz said: That's one of the most ignorant comments I've ever seen on this board, and I've been here for 17 years. wait til finals week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricS Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 And you obviously don't approve of the new rule. Say what you may, but either abide ny the rules or be gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricS Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Fran Haring said: https://instantrimshot.com/ how cute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 1 hour ago, cfirwin3 said: I think the answer is that any show that has percussion meshing with horns and guard as the greater form is dangerous BECAUSE of the presence of judges (both for the members and the judges... but the liability mostly existing for the members). This describes essentially every show these days. It's about becoming surrounded by marching members, and then becoming stuck in a path, and making decisions without knowledge of the coming motion with no escape or 360 degree awareness of motion that can lead to a 'bump'. Bumps can split lips, crack teeth, trip/domino members (onto or into hard equipment/instruments). The rule then eliminates the possibility of immersion into the form by limiting the viewpoint to a 180 degree range of immersion (nobody needs to have eyes in the back of their head). The visual package of a show is inherently dangerous as a result of anyone that is present in the form that isn't part of the performance. It's like practing in a batting cage with someone else walking around the plate that doesn't belong there. When did "these days" start? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.E. Brigand Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 4 hours ago, cfirwin3 said: To no extent. This was about incidents not theory. Even this thread is pointing to specific moments of conflict with judges being in the wrong place at the wrong time. On the contrary, it will be up to designers to stage the drum features so that they can get the credit they want. It's not possible to bargain with the judging panel at recaps to earn a better score for things that they couldn't see. This decision puts more pressure on the corps staff and really relieves the pressure from the judges. They said that it's about safety and it absolutely is. Well, you're describing a choice here, but you're pretending it's not a choice. DCI could have decided that (1) differentiating very fine details between battery performance was more important than (2) designers having the ability to integrate percussion more tightly in their visuals without judges getting in the way. DCI decided to sacrifice the fine details. Maybe the right choice. Maybe not. But still a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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