JimF-LowBari Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, PioneerWebmaster said: $2,600 multiplied by a full slate of 25-30 World Class shows helps put a dent in the operating budget, but definitely isn't intended to be the only source of revenue for a corps. Every little bit helps.... if you get a little bit... Bet WC would raise a helluva stink of anyone tried to cut back or remove that $2600.... Edited July 1, 2020 by JimF-LowBari 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 9 hours ago, PioneerWebmaster said: Open Class corps do get paid for appearances at World Class shows, but it's significantly less than what the WC corps receive. The standard rate for a WC corps is $2,600 per event. Open Class finalists get $1,800 per event, while non-finalists get $700 per event. One exception - new or re-emerging corps in Open Class receive $0 per event in their first year. Correction - $1,800 is the appearance fee for a WC non-member corps. Open-class finalists only get $1,100, and that is only when they get contracted into a WC show. Open-class shows have no appearance fees. (Source: DCI Policies and Procedures Manual, Appendix 211.) 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 21 hours ago, craiga said: Let the dozen or so financially secure groups continue with the touring as it has been. Open Class is there for anyone who might think their survival depends on it. So... eliminate all but a dozen member corps with attendant votes? That's the other half of this. Without bylaws revision, I can't imagine any WC corps agreeing to it. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 3 hours ago, cixelsyd said: Correction - $1,800 is the appearance fee for a WC non-member corps. Open-class finalists only get $1,100, and that is only when they get contracted into a WC show. Open-class shows have no appearance fees. (Source: DCI Policies and Procedures Manual, Appendix 211.) Not entirely. OC-only show revenue goes into a pool and is redistributed after the season. I can tell you firsthand, it's not a lot - not enough to really be a significant line item - but then again, OC shows generally aren't well attended. (Though anecdotally it felt like the Midwest shows in the final weeks of tour had been starting to pick up a bit the last few years.) Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, MikeN said: Not entirely. OC-only show revenue goes into a pool and is redistributed after the season. I can tell you firsthand, it's not a lot - not enough to really be a significant line item - but then again, OC shows generally aren't well attended. (Though anecdotally it felt like the Midwest shows in the final weeks of tour had been starting to pick up a bit the last few years.) I was only addressing appearance fees. Revenue sharing is determined post-season, from whatever (if any) money is left over after covering expenses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 5 hours ago, MikeN said: Not entirely. OC-only show revenue goes into a pool and is redistributed after the season. I can tell you firsthand, it's not a lot - not enough to really be a significant line item - but then again, OC shows generally aren't well attended. (Though anecdotally it felt like the Midwest shows in the final weeks of tour had been starting to pick up a bit the last few years.) Mike Yep ! I've said it a very long time. It's a shame OC performs sometimes to very little in the stands ( nothing new ). There is one way to fix that, Arrive early for smaller corps, go to OC shows, support OC $$$, get out of the lot and tailgating . $$$$$$ will, and support, with make a difference. "A" class just with fees paid to WGI showed them not to bite the hand that feeds them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, GUARDLING said: Yep ! I've said it a very long time. It's a shame OC performs sometimes to very little in the stands ( nothing new ). There is one way to fix that, Arrive early for smaller corps, go to OC shows, support OC $$$, get out of the lot and tailgating . $$$$$$ will, and support, with make a difference. "A" class just with fees paid to WGI showed them not to bite the hand that feeds them. look at the OC tour....not exactly going where people live Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Jeff Ream said: look at the OC tour....not exactly going where people live Yet if it were WC, people travel to get to shows no matter where. That's been the problem, finding blame when it's pretty basic. Even on tour at WC shows, when smaller corps are on, where is everyone, THE LOT This has been a forever problem in the activity BUT then people speak up about the un-fairness of OC yet where are they to change anything... We can always find a reason why...... or find a way to change it. Corps and people can do that but it needs more than talk. It's the only way things change $$$$$$ and support can change everything Edited July 1, 2020 by GUARDLING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim K Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Jeff Ream said: look at the OC tour....not exactly going where people live One thing I have noticed over the years at the early season shows in Boston and Lynn, and at one time Bristol, was the good number of friends and family members who attended to see 7th Regiment and Spartans. At the OC show in July, it’s nearly all family members and friends. I wish there were better connections with high school programs, but July is peak vacation time so I do understand the challenges, but I know some years there is a New York show that is barely attended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUARDLING Posted July 1, 2020 Report Share Posted July 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tim K said: One thing I have noticed over the years at the early season shows in Boston and Lynn, and at one time Bristol, was the good number of friends and family members who attended to see 7th Regiment and Spartans. At the OC show in July, it’s nearly all family members and friends. I wish there were better connections with high school programs, but July is peak vacation time so I do understand the challenges, but I know some years there is a New York show that is barely attended. There is a huge connection to HS programs BUT even when you walk into many band rooms there are videos, posters, DVD's CD's...all of WC corps. Even the smallest of bands, instead of showing something at their level it's always the big guys. I get why people do this but maybe show something that may be closer to their own experience and then the possibility of where they can be DCI can help with this promotion BUT it will never happen until they can see that the revenue and support is worth it, and just saying it won't cut it. Less talk more action IMO Edited July 1, 2020 by GUARDLING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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