Terri Schehr Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Full disclosure: I watched the Detroit show at home. Not the theater. But a friend that I trust sent me this. I found it to be disheartening. “During the Tour Premiere broadcast, did you hear one of the broadcast commentators talking about "placement". They said the Judges spend the first couple of weeks figuring out placement. Then spend the rest of the season concentrating on scores. That sure sounds like "slotting".” 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bird Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 It’s only slotting if every corps is at an even playing field and theyre simply not. If every corps had the same resources and talent as the top 3, then slotting would be an issue. But there is no feasible way that a corps like Crossmen or Colts finishes in the top 5, even if they execute their show flawlessly and to pretend like slotting is why they can’t do that is ignoring many other factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: Full disclosure: I watched the Detroit show at home. Not the theater. But a friend that I trust sent me this. I found it to be disheartening. “During the Tour Premiere broadcast, did you hear one of the broadcast commentators talking about "placement". They said the Judges spend the first couple of weeks figuring out placement. Then spend the rest of the season concentrating on scores. That sure sounds like "slotting".” Oooo. Talk about saying the quiet part out loud. Can anyone confirm that commentary? To play Devil's advocate (pun partly intended), there is a reality to that assertion that doesn't necessarily violate the ability that corps have to be competitive. The issue is that if THIS is how it was put into words... it was a bad choice of words for this particular audience. But truth be told, the older I get, the more this whole thing becomes like "Whose Line Is It Anyway?"... where everything is made up and the points don't matter. Edited June 30, 2022 by cfirwin3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, cfirwin3 said: Oooo. Talk about saying the quiet part out loud. Can anyone confirm that commentary? To play Devil's advocate (pun partly intended), there is a reality to that assertion that doesn't necessarily violate the ability that corps have to be competitive. The issue is that if THIS is how it was put into words... it was a bad choice of words for this particular audience. But truth be told, the older I get, the more this whole thing becomes like "Whose Line Is It Anyway?"... where everything is made up and the points don't matter. Do you remember back in the early 2000’s when the Cap Sound girl found a tote sheet on the field during their show at DCM prelims in Dekalb? There was a huge uproar and the judge got into some hot water. Keith Gee was the corps director. I’m sure if he was here he’d back me up on this. It was a huge deal. Quite revealing especially since the Cap Sound kids were always sitting out finals because they had the misfortune of being a Div 2 corps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, Big Bird said: It’s only slotting if every corps is at an even playing field and theyre simply not. If every corps had the same resources and talent as the top 3, then slotting would be an issue. But there is no feasible way that a corps like Crossmen or Colts finishes in the top 5, even if they execute their show flawlessly and to pretend like slotting is why they can’t do that is ignoring many other factors. I would also suggest that the potential competitive group is much larger than 3 (it's more like 7 or 8). The issue in a particular season comes down to design. You gotta dance with the one that brung ya, and there's only so much alteration that groups can make before something is improved into a failure (there was a string of Cadet shows like that not too long ago, Crown 2014, Bluecoats 2018 etc.) You can have all the resources and just get locked out by design concepts, in fact that's most of the championship game every year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfirwin3 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: Do you remember back in the early 2000’s when the Cap Sound girl found a tote sheet on the field during their show at DCM prelims in Dekalb? There was a huge uproar and the judge got into some hot water. Keith Gee was the corps director. I’m sure if he was here he’d back me up on this. It was a huge deal. Quite revealing especially since the Cap Sound kids were always sitting out finals because they had the misfortune of being a Div 2 corps. Oh my. I had never heard about that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, cfirwin3 said: Oh my. I had never heard about that one. It was the talk of the town that day. The fact that this young girl had the presence of mind to pick up that paper during the show, was amazing to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Big Bird said: It’s only slotting if every corps is at an even playing field and theyre simply not. If every corps had the same resources and talent as the top 3, then slotting would be an issue. But there is no feasible way that a corps like Crossmen or Colts finishes in the top 5, even if they execute their show flawlessly and to pretend like slotting is why they can’t do that is ignoring many other factors. I find it bizarre that there's this huge distinction between top 3 and top 6 ( or top 5) now. It used to be that there was a top 6. Now people only care about the medalists? Edited June 30, 2022 by jjeffeory 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecoats88 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 21 minutes ago, Terri Schehr said: Full disclosure: I watched the Detroit show at home. Not the theater. But a friend that I trust sent me this. I found it to be disheartening. “During the Tour Premiere broadcast, did you hear one of the broadcast commentators talking about "placement". They said the Judges spend the first couple of weeks figuring out placement. Then spend the rest of the season concentrating on scores. That sure sounds like "slotting".” What he actually said was in these early shows they aren't worried so much about getting an accurate number, ie. cavies are .5 ahead of Phantom in field percussion, but what they are trying to get correct is the order, ie. cavies field percussion was better than PRs as an example. so spreads and such aren't that meaningful in the early shows, as long as the corps are in the correct order of placement based on their performances. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terri Schehr Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Just now, jjeffeory said: I find it bizarre that there's this huge distinction between top 3 and top 6 ( or top 5) now. It used to be that there was a top 6. That what makes what my friend told me completely believable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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