Still Crum-bling on the hill in Allentown - August 5, 2023

[CAtenhut]

4 minutes ago, LyleF7 said:

Roy, don't forget that there is still one more step that needs to be taken to determine the performance order. Each group of 3, 1-3, 4-6, 7-9. 10-12, etc, will then have a drawing withing their group of 3, to determine their performance order. So the Blue Devils, who will have the highest average score, could end up going on third from last and the corps that places 4th could end up competing sixth from last.

Not for Indy. Prelims will go in reverse order.

Edited August 6, 2023 by CAtenhut

[IllianaLancerContra]

3 hours ago, Vuitton said:

I’m veggie! Well, carbie. I don’t eat meat or veggies, just carbs.

Ok.  
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8 Rue du Cerche-Midi 

 

[Vuitton]

5 hours ago, craiga said:

And, something that NOBODY has dared to mention so far...with FOUR corps only .5 apart one-week before finals and 11 judges at finals, not only could BAC, Crown, BD, or Bloo win, but ANY of these 4 could also come in 4th...

Including the Blue Devils.

No one’s dared to say it because no one believes it, other than you, Grandpa Joe and DCIFan. 

Edited August 6, 2023 by Vuitton

[skevinp]

5 hours ago, LabMaster said:

And what is the whole point of this?  It all balances out. Is someone thinking there was some kind of advantage being had by Sat corps?  What would it matter?  Do people think Sat corps scoring was skewed in their favor of because they supposedly had an extra rehearsal?  If so, then make a specific correlation or forget about it.

Not sure what you are looking for in terms of a correlation, but of the top 10 corps that were in both Atlanta and Allentown, the Saturday corps increase was about .65 greater than the Friday corps increase.  

3 of the 4 Saturday corps improved by over 3 points.  None of the 6 Friday corps did.  

[IllianaLancerContra]

6 hours ago, oldbandguy said:

Thanks...

That .4 penalty for Bloo in Atlanta is what is keeping them from being the #3 seed.
Take that out and their average is 92.881

Well, they should have done a few more tarp reps so they could meet timing requirements.    Penalties have consequences.  

Edited August 6, 2023 by IllianaLancerContra

[wilme861]

5 hours ago, snare_guy_83 said:

Combining the 2 nights is utterly ridiculous. Look no further than Percussion...

Crown in 3rd after 7th & 8th in San Antonio & Atlanta??? Jumped half a point in Content???

 

And yet the percussion judge themselves judged it all as if it was one competition. As people have said, things can and do change come Indy but DCI has their judges treat it as one competition and score it appropriately . People can say all they want about 2 different shows and 2 different nights etc... but DCI itself says otherwise.

[wilme861]

45 minutes ago, skevinp said:

Not sure what you are looking for in terms of a correlation, but of the top 10 corps that were in both Atlanta and Allentown, the Saturday corps increase was about .65 greater than the Friday corps increase.  

3 of the 4 Saturday corps improved by over 3 points.  None of the 6 Friday corps did.  

But yet the scoring still fell in line with the events of the week. Bluecoats and Boston met up in Lawrence with Boston winning by 0.3 pts. In Allentown, Boston was up 0.2 pts. Bluecoats and Cadets met up in Glassboro with Bluecoats winning by about 3 pts. At Allentown, Bluecoats were up about 3 pts over Cadets. Bluecoats performed Friday and Boston and Cadets on Saturday so the spreads stayed consistent over both nights.

[90svet]

7 hours ago, jasgre2000 said:

Allentown is a funky show, and I don't think BD had their best run last night. I wouldn't read that much into it. Makes for some fun conversation leading into Indy though.

I've seen similar comments over the years, after BD either was beaten at a show, or had other corps get uncomfortably close to them.

It's never that the other corps are closing the gap, but rather "yeah, but BD had an off night".

In this activity, all they really matters is how a corps performs at a show, and particularly during Finals night.  Show design and member talent don't matter if a show performance is not consistent with "potential".

if BD chokes on Finals night (which most would agree rarely happens), then it's over for BD.  However, even with the supposed bad night, BD still came out on top, even with the additional day of rehearsal.  So, it appears that BD can say that they in fact ARE the 2-day champion.  The unsolved mystery is how BC would have fared, had they gone head-to-head with BAC and Crown.

[KVG_DC]

6 hours ago, Grandpa Joe said:

Different nights, same shows, same judges. 

If DCI didn't want us to compare them they would have had them all on the same night. 

This argument is as old as time and about as tired as well. 

Tale as old as time,

Song as old as rhyme,

Drum corps at the Easts!

[90svet]

8 hours ago, LabMaster said:

No one got an extra day is the point.

The Saturday Allentown corps got in an additional day of rehearsal vs the Friday corps.  So, it would be expected that Saturday scores would be higher than Friday scores, which makes comparisons difficult for the purpose of determining 2-night combined Allentown event placements.

BD is on top, even with the additional day.  As you get further down the placements, though, it's diffcult to determine who would have come out above others.  Would BC had beaten Crown and/or BAC?  Hard to say.

it's certainly interesting to see these close clusters going into Finals, though.

Monday's matchup between BAC and BC will certainly be interesting.  It's BC's home show, though, so even in BC wins, it could be a result of additional energy in stadium helping to boost BC's performance level.  So, I wouldn't assume a BC victory on Monday means they will ultimately prevail over BAC.

Given that BAC/BC/Crown are so close, anything could happen (including at least one of them dethroning BD).

I am now regretting passing on in-person attendance at Allentown and Indy.  This has certainly turned out to be an interesting year.