gbass598 Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Oh, look who the main source of information is in the article. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 8 hours ago, Jeff Ream said: ok time to make more popcorn I will say I’m kind of impressed that this thread lasted long enough without a moderator shutdown that we can discuss this latest development without having to open a new thread. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cixelsyd Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, IllianaLancerContra said: I will say I’m kind of impressed that this thread lasted long enough without a moderator shutdown that we can discuss this latest development without having to open a new thread. Indeed. This thread might outlast the comment section of that newspaper article. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, gbass598 said: Oh, look who the main source of information is in the article. Doesn’t matter. It is now in the broader press, and even has CA DoJ docs linked. Completely predictable that this would happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSnareDrummer Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, IllianaLancerContra said: I will say I’m kind of impressed that this thread lasted long enough without a moderator shutdown that we can discuss this latest development without having to open a new thread. I get the feeling it's on Life Support. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 Just now, OldSnareDrummer said: I get the feeling it's on Life Support. We could start an over/under of how many SCV threads are closed before the 2024 season starts. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 55 minutes ago, OldSnareDrummer said: Mercy. Some colorful reader comments. True. But SCV (or some of their alumni) reputation of trying to shut down dissent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KVG_DC Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, gbass598 said: Oh, look who the main source of information is in the article. Well of course. I mean. He literally said at one point going public re: Bingo was his next step. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfgang Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 (edited) I found the highlighted snippet from the article interesting: "California law states that only certain organizations are allowed to operate bingo games (CA Penal Code Sections 326.3 and 326.5) – most specifically ones that are considered tax-exempt under federal law. By not maintaining its charitable designation, Vanguard may be in violation. What’s more, there are strict laws governing how the funds from bingo are spent. Specifically, that money only be distributed to certain parties and that does not include bingo employees. Vanguard bingo pays its bingo staff. Lesher says that in the past, the money from membership dues and donations was used to offset the employee costs, keeping Vanguard compliant. However, without those two revenue streams, Lesher believes that Vanguard’s continued operation of bingo has placed it in violation of state law. Vanguard’s management has been in upheaval over the past few years, with several changeovers in leadership. Most recently, on Sept. 8, Russell Gavin was announced as the new CEO of Vanguard. He talked to The Weekly about Lesher’s comments. Gavin says that the State’s website is not up to date. He admits that Vanguard is not considered a charity in good standing at the moment but says “delinquent” is not an accurate depiction of the current status. Gavin says the state recognizes that the organization is taking steps to return to compliance and the organization’s status with the state is considered in process. He also says that he has been “assured” by Vanguard’s lawyers that all the bingo operations are compliant with state law." ___ A few thoughts: 1. The new CEO admits directly in the article SCV is not a "charity in good standing." 2. Taking steps to "return to compliance" is NOT the same thing as being compliant. 3. Being "assured" by lawyers is meaningless. Either they are compliant or they are not. 4. For sake of argument, let's say all the negatives said about Lesher by commenters here and on the website where the article was published are true. That is all irrelevant. Either Lesher's accusations are true, or they aren't. His motivations are irrelevant in a strict true/false sense. It IS possible to tell mostly truth but the part not told makes a huge difference. Time will tell which is the case. Edited September 14, 2023 by wolfgang 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted September 14, 2023 Share Posted September 14, 2023 31 minutes ago, gbass598 said: Oh, look who the main source of information is in the article. Are we gonna shoot the messenger? That’s exactly what S-Ghost says happens to people who step forward. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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