dbc03 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 How are they "pushing the envelope?" How are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 How are they not? Because none of the ideas in their show are totally new or unique ... ? Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc03 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Because none of the ideas in their show are totally new or unique ... ? Just a guess. OK, name a show in the past 10 years that pushed the envelope then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rut-roh Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 OK, name a show in the past 10 years that pushed the envelope then. There haven't been many. Just a lotta really great shows that have taken what has already been done and taking it to the highest levels. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburstall Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 OK, name a show in the past 10 years that pushed the envelope then. In the past 10 years...none. IMO, the last real envelope pushing came when they did "The ABC of American Composers" and did "Short Ride on a Fast Machine". First time a minimalist composition was performed on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orpheus Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 OK, name a show in the past 10 years that pushed the envelope then. Cadets '05? Seriously, though, I haven't seen many shows since Star '93 that were truly groundbreaking, in my opinion. A lot of corps have given the envelope a little nudge over the years, but really pushing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScribeToo Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 By chance, did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express? :spit: :lolhit: OMG that's the funniest thing posted EVAR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rut-roh Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) Cadets '05?Seriously, though, I haven't seen many shows since Star '93 that were truly groundbreaking, in my opinion. A lot of corps have given the envelope a little nudge over the years, but really pushing it? I wouldn't even put that show (Cadets 05) in the category because there was nothing in that show that I hadn't seen or heard before in some other marching medium. Was it neat the way they incorporated a lot of those things into that show? Sure. But I saw nothing earth-shatteringly groundbreaking in it. Edited August 10, 2006 by rut-roh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF2K4 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Well, though my indepth knowledge of the history of the activity is somewhat limited, I'm fairly sure nearly all of what the Cadets are doing has been done before: 1. Today's drill complexity: A product of the Michael Gaines era making everyone step-up to the Cavaliers AND the Zingali era which was lead by none other than the Cadets. 2. Large amounts of props: The only two corps I can think of with the insane amount of props like the Cadets have is VK and Star when Star did the circus show. 3. Singing... mic'd to be fair: Crown was the first offender, were they not? '04? 4. Narration: Boston '04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 That's not the issue. While I do think our ole buddy Hrothgar may be going a little over the top, here's what I think the issue is (at least for me): I have no problem with voice in a show, as long as it's used properly. BAC 2000 comes to mind. I can even tolerate a little singing, as in 2004 Crown's ballad or 2006 Cadets' ballad, even though I'd rather hear brass and percussion alone. Think of all the great Phantom Regiment ballads. There's no singing, and those are the classics. Now, where I draw the line is using voice for narration. 2005 Blue Devils, or the "It's the Beat Gen-er-a-tion!" part of 2004 Crown. I think it's cheesy, and personally I prefer show concepts which render voice unneccessary. Even storylines can be complete without voice, check out 2006 Phantom Regiment. What they've put on the field is beautiful. It's very demanding for the guard, but that's what they paid $1800 for, remember? They didn't pay all that money so someone could tell their story for them. So it's not that voice is unmusical, it's just that many feel it does not belong in an ensemble of brass and percussion. Period. Every corps chooses to do things as they see fit. I would HATE to see everyone go down one road, just to do what everyone else does. I want corps to be creative and different. It's not as if because Phantom did things one way no other way can be just as good. Last year, the Cadets were among my favorites...even the talking...so was Phantom...about as different in design concept as you could get....except in one imprtant area. Both corps design staffs created the very best shows they could for their members and the audience. Cadets 05 will be a classic, IMO. Crown 04 may get there too. It was my favorite show of 04, to be sure..not because of the use of voice...but because I found the show interesting, entertaining, and well performed...including the use of voice. BTW...Phantom once passed out a printed libretto that told the story of their show, in 1981...10 years after the Cadets did the same thing to narrate THEIR show, in 1971. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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