Hawsebt Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 This is really sad. I do want to hear the director's side of the story... this does explain the stagnation of capital in recent years...without returning vets/staff...you don't move foreward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Smith Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) Side note: WOW! CR has a great site! That is perhaps one of the best, well organized sites I've seen for a drum corps. Too bad. Edited August 22, 2006 by Granny Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonics101 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) I bet you are. But for the moment, let's revisit some of your other posts from the past, shall we?and this little gem, in reference to drinking on tour, specifically the incident in 2003 when a number of ageouts went drinking after lights out after quarterfinals. Now, I'm not the one to say what actually went on this year, but it seems to me that you have a bone to pick with Rick Bays. Just randomly checking up on Capital Regiments website, were we? There's a need for DCI to investigate for the sake of the kids, is there? I'll give you that there were some troubles on tour this season, from what we heard coming out of their camp. But I think that in your case there was a little bit more of a desire to stir up #### with Rick Bays in the middle of it, rather than any concern for "the kids". I bet you smelled blood in the water, and decided to attack someone whom you claim you have never dealt with directly. I say we let the problem get worked out between the CR Administration and the Tour Managers who obviously had some problems. This isn't the first time that admins have clashed with staff, and it won't be the last by far. Rick Bays is, like I imagine many corps administrators are, on vacation after getting back from tour. Why don't we let him get back and deal with the problem, and then decide what side we're going to take? Sitting here and musing over whether CR will be out next year doesn't do anything but feed the rumor mill, and I think there are quite enough corps who are rumored to be not coming out next season. I keep hearing that Rick Bays doesn't care about the kids, let me tell you a story. I marched for CR, and at one point I was supposed to be taking a ride home on a Greyhound. I misread the schedule, and there wasn't a bus back to my city until the next morning. Completely my own fault. I called Mr. Bays on the phone, and he came and picked me up at the bus station in a corps bus. I apologized to him, and he told me not to worry about it. Not only did he not mention it again, he took me out to dinner that night (with some volunteers), and stayed the night with me in the CR Center. This guy, who had probably not seen home in days, got out his sleeping bag and crashed on the floor of the center with me, and gave me a ride to my bus the next morning. Were there times on tour when he was an absolute hardass? Yep, and quite frankly, I bore the brunt of his ire on more than one occasion on tour. But every time it was because I crossed the line. I don't speak for Mr. Bays, and I don't pretend to know what happened on tour this year, but I know a few things. Mr. Bays looks out for every kid that comes on tour, or sets foot on his bus. But he also cares about the corps, and I have never seen him do anything that wasn't in direct response to someone crossing the line. Maybe he is a little rabid when protecting what he sees as the corps image, but I call BS when people say he doesn't care about the kids. Alright, ill try to keep this short since i just got out my wisdom teeth today and vikadin is about to knock me out...but i just had to say something Ive been in this corps for 3 years,3, why? Becuase through it all i love CAPITAL the corps and because frankly im not certain i can make it where i want to go and i dont want to just settle for just any corps. With that being said, everything on our forums is absolutely true and thats really not the half of it. I will say that Rick does care about the members, when hes in a good mood....honestly thats how it seems to fly. When someone pisses him off or hes just angry, things go bad. Matt (the webmaster) told me there was a time he was calling Rick to get money to go to the store and buy some food. Rick didnt answer, they called from Megans phone and other peoples phone- no answer. Then they finally figured out if they called from a selective bus drivers phone or one of the volunteers that is friends with Rick, he he would answer. They had to TRICK him into picking up his phone to get money to feed us....and on many occasion no money was actually obtained. So Mattt and Megan spent their own money to go to the store or buy McDonalds or Pizza (this happened alot). This is the same director that cussed out a volunteer for buying ice from a gas station for injured people in our corps. I was one of those injured people. I was literally forced (pulling ,tugging,pushing) off the feild because my ankle that i had hurt severely before tour was causing major issues with my marching ability because of pain. There was another girl with severe tendonitis in her knee and another with severe tendonitis in her VERY flat feet. So were all sitting on the sideline wasting away. This volunteer carts ice bags out to the field for us to use. We were very grateful, only to find out later she got reemed at for buying ice for INJURED people, not even for water jugs in the 90 degree humid heat, for injuries.... That same volunteer was then refused a ride to the airport. And that same volunteer came back towards the end of the summer to help again. THANK YOU NIKKI YOU ARE AMAZING!!!!! those two are two of SEVERAL things in one summer. I mean i can think of one time he seemed as tho he really cared for my well being but looking back on it, it was more of he was doing his job thing. My very first drum corps camp ever i ended up getting sick- i puked ALL night long every 20 mins of so. It wasnt until late afternoon the NEXT day that Rick came to see me laying in the corner of the girls locker room (i needed to be close to the toilets) and asked if i had any money because they may need to take me to the hospital because i may become dehydrated. I told him i had about 20 dollars and that was about it, he may have said some other words like, well w'ell see what happens but he left right after that. So i spent the rest of that night laying on the locker room floor getting up to puke as needed. No one bothered to call my parents or tell my friend that i came with what was happening (and i had told one of the volunteers or rick cant remember that i had come with this friend.) The next day my friend saw me and was like, where the heck have you been all weekend????! Ok, this is long, i thought it wouldnt be but once a CAP REG member gets going on this subject its hard to stop, trust me. Why do kids come back? Because the little staff thats left, and the OTHER members....thats why, and they come back hoping....maybe this year will be better, maybe he'll change. yeah right-i have yet to see change....and thats sad because i sincerely love Capital Regiment, and no matter where i go (if i even march...my drum corps spirit was killed this past season) Cap Reg will always be my home. Thanks to everyone who actually read this-- this is from a members perspective, and i wasnt even one of the kids that passed out and started convulsing in Kansas! Oh and btw Thanks to the Cavaliers for taking care of us, giving us food, and basically taking us under their wing. Also thanks to Colts for feeding us and asking us if we needed anything. ps. Fred....youre amazing THANK YOU and of course Matt and Megan!!!THANKS!!! There would have been a many a time we wouldnt have made it without you two...you did your best to take care of us- i know. After marching a year with Megan i know what kind of person she is and she wouldnt have given up on us for anything- and she didnt. And Matt...oh man you didnt even know the members from the beginning but you gave it your all too! Thanks! do i feel bad for bashing my own corps? Yes...i do, and im sure there will be consequences but im sick of being an 18 yr old kid (been marching since i was 15) and asked to just DEAL WITH it....no- thats bull we may be marching drum corps but we are all in end kids that needed to be taken care of and we werent. Point blank- we werent. Edited August 23, 2006 by harmonics101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Roughy Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I do want to hear the director's side of the story... Actually, I don't. I usually want to hear both sides of a story, but I don't think I need to here. From the rumblings we've heard over the past three years, to the staff quitting over multiple years (including during the season some times), to the multiple problems this year, to what's been written in this thread, I'm not sure if there could be another side. What could he say? Everyone who quit and complained about me are big fat liars? It's possible that some of the details are not true (maybe the guard members who collapsed had more to drink/eat that day - who knows). But if you look at the body of evidence, it appears that this guy is doing a disservice to the kids and staff, even to the point of endangering their health. My guess is DCI steps in and does something about it. And if a lot of those talented kids from CR end up at Troop next spring, well, I can't think of a better outcome to some of this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IllianaLancerContra Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 One thing DCI has been doing lately is intervening when something is truely amiss. Consider the Troopers last year and Magic after (?) 99 (?). From what I understand about how DCI is set up they need to self-police to avoid being held partly at fault from a legal standpoint. Innocent until proven guilty (by DCI BOD, I would guess). But I predict this whole topic will certianly be on the agenda at the next DCI BOD meeting. IIRC, it was Sept last year that they suspended the Troopers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornlineDiva Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 (edited) I don't speak for Mr. Bays, and I don't pretend to know what happened on tour this year, but I know a few things. Mr. Bays looks out for every kid that comes on tour, or sets foot on his bus. But he also cares about the corps, and I have never seen him do anything that wasn't in direct response to someone crossing the line. Maybe he is a little rabid when protecting what he sees as the corps image, but I call BS when people say he doesn't care about the kids. Are we talking about the same man, here? No, really, are we? I've never actually heard anyone address him as "Mr.Bays".....and there is a #### good reason for that. Hundreds of reasons, in fact. I marched for 2 years, and I know exactly what happened this summer. I could say a lot more, but in the spirit of good taste, I'll refrain from airing any more dirty laundry. It's in bad taste for us to have even said this much, but you have no idea how good it feels to finally be allowed to talk. The instructional staff at CR is nothing less than steller. They are the reason we stayed sane. The staff and volunteers at CR are the anchors of the corps, and deserve nothing less than the highest praise..... Derek Gipson in particular. They don't get enough (or any) recognition all summer. So here it is. Edited August 22, 2006 by HornlineDiva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockthebus09 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I highly doubt Rick will ever make comment about anything. That's just how he is. Thank god I didn't order my member jacket, I probably never would have ended up with it, and would never have got a decent explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bawker Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Goodness...my heart goes out to everyone with Cap Reg. I hope things improve, whether through intervention by outside means or some other fashion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughesmr Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 The plot thickens... http://www.capitalregiment.org/forums/inde...9.html#msg18849 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DebateGuy Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Are we talking about the same man, here?No, really, are we? I've never actually heard anyone address him as "Mr.Bays".....and there is a #### good reason for that. Hundreds of reasons, in fact. I marched for 2 years, and I know exactly what happened this summer. I could say a lot more, but in the spirit of good taste, I'll refrain from airing any more dirty laundry. It's in bad taste for us to have even said this much, but you have no idea how good it feels to finally be allowed to talk. I asked myself the same question. I know Mr. Bays (or Rick, if you insist on me using his first name) quite well. I refer to him as Mr. Bays because I have known him for going on 8 years, and I respect the work that he did for Capital Regiment while I was there. I'll freely admit that I haven't talked to him but briefly since around 2004, so I couldn't tell you what kind of person he is now. I only spoke from what was my personal experience at CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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