jjeffeory Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I am not really sure why the attendance figures matter by themselves. DCI has several streams of revenue for finals week. These numbers reflect only one piece of the pie. how many more fans watched quarterfinals in movie theatres across the country like I did? How many more paid for the webcast of semis on fan network or a full season subscription? You would need to add all of the revenue streams together to get an accurate picture of finals week "attendance" by fans. SCV said it best a few years back. It's a "new era" and to survive and thrive DCI will need to continue to diversify revenue streams and drive engagement with it's fans in multiple ways. Just because I didn't go to finals doesn't mean I can't get my favorite corps shirt. I can hop online year round and get it. You may not get concession money from me but if you get me to purchase the event on fan network you still have me engaged and as a paying customer....with that in mind I won't over analyze attendance figures for finals week. Could it be better? Absolutely. Is it the end all be all? Absolutely not. I don't think you can use the full season subscription for finals week numbers. The subscription is for the full year, not finals week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjeffeory Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) Just because they werent empty doesn't mean those tickets were sold.. How many open class corps members, and world class corps members that didn't make finals were there. Or even ticket holders who bought the cheap seats and just sat up there... Even if they weren't "supposed to sit there".... when's the last time you met someone who followed all the rules This. This is why the "numbers" hold a little less thunder than you might think. You can do ALOT of inference about what the numbers really mean when there are a bunch of $10 tickets floating around and all the open class corps members and family are hanging around. Edited August 19, 2011 by jjeffeory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiodb Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I cannot believe how some people just simply refuse to accept that PAID ATTENDANCE AT DCI FINALS WAS UP....SIGNIFICANTLY. LIVE WITH IT! Not to dispute your premise....but there has been no report of paid attendance figures for 2011 DCI. Just sayin'.... WELL LOOK AT HOW WELL ATTENDANCE WAS IN CALI IN 2007? ....yes look at that! 24,000 in the 103,000 seat Rose Bowl. (How empty that must've felt) I'm actually shocked that attendance wasn't closer to 30,000 there. It was. Total attendance was rumored to be several thousand more than the paid attendance figure of 24,309 for the finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) Not to dispute your premise....but there has been no report of paid attendance figures for 2011 DCI. Just sayin'.... You are accurate as usual though this also seems a bit disingenuous. It's true that DCI didn't actually use the term "paid attendance." They did, however, specifically exclude all significant free-entry categories in reporting that attendance jumped more than 9%. So unless you mean to suggest DCI opened the gates to some other significant free-entry category (which I doubt you are), then it's reasonable to believe and state that paid attendance increased for 2011. For what it's worth, this also happens to jibe with my report earlier this week that ticket SALES were higher this year. That was based on a conversation with a senior DCI official and referenced sales specifically. HH Edited August 19, 2011 by glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) 1) It's not a knock on either the AL or VFW to suggest that if they were in town, with a paid registration, that convention delegates would be likely to take in some entertainment at night after listening to speeches and other convention doings all day. 2) I am not altering attendance figures buy assigning motive. I was stating what I felt was a logical reason there was a partial built in audience for many years at these conventions. In 1974, I attended the VFW National Convention Parade on Michigan Avenue in Chicago. I was surrounded by delegates wearing their VFW hats, (just like the one my father proudly wore). The attendance at the parade was HUGE, and from my vantage point, I believe I can safely state that more delegates came out to watch the state VFW entries go past (and the occasional drum corps) than area residents who had no vested interest in the VFW. I don't disagree that " there was a partial built in audience " for the Drum Corps National Championships prior to the formation of DCI. The National Championships tended to be Delegates to the Veteran Conventions that sponsored the National Championships. Similarly, today DCI has a " partial built in audience " for their National Drum Corps National Championships as well. The audience today at the National Championship tend to be skewed towards those that are ( or were ) afiliated in some manner with the Music programs at the Elementary, Secondary, and College level. If we segmented out those afiliated today in attendance that come from the music programs in the schools, as well as those that were delegates to the Veteran Conventions, we could decrease the total attendance figures of both accordingly. But then, whats the point ? I'm really not geting why the attendance figures of pre DCI are somehow not relevant to today's attendance figures by virtue of a " partial built in audience ". If we do that, we could naturally say the Shriners, CYO, etc local regional shows and similar ( that had upwards of 20,000 in attendance some years ) likewise " had a partial built in audience", but I'm not sure what the point of such an exercise is. Most Drum Corps shows have a " built in audience " of some sort that the show sponsors are attempting to appeal to or will naturally bring to their show as an affinity group of customers. This is neither old nor new it seems to me, Michael. Edited August 19, 2011 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Matczak Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Sorry highest ever attendence was in Montreal 1981 scoreboard read 32.427 thats when the people were hanging out of the rafters sorry was not there in 82 stand corrected I was there, and it was cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyDad Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 15,000 last year and 17,000 this year. Those numbers don't look very good. What was the attendance in Whitewater in 72 and 73? 10,000 or so? From the graph a few pages back, looks like every year it was in Madison (bad parking, bad housing, hard to get to) attendance was over 20,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRASSO Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 (edited) I was there, and it was cool! Same here. I believe someone once posted a picture of this '81 Finals PAID attendance ( 32,427 ) figure on DCP from the lighted scoreboard that was flashed inside the Montreal stadium by DCI itself on the night of Finals. In reality, there was approx 36,000 in attendance, as marchers from Corps that did not make Finals also filled the stadium on Finals Night. Incidentally, the acoustics in this stadium as well as the seating configuration to the field itself was brutally subpar, imo. Despite this, record setting crowds came out in droves both years ( '81,'82) for the DCI Championships. Edited August 19, 2011 by BRASSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcpincollector Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 This forum is nuts! Attendance was up! Plain and simple! Please return to the "glory" days if you like. I prefer the present. Drum corps is better than ever despite the ravings of a few! Sorry to disappoint you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Well, I guess they could build an airport somewhere near the city. I was thinking more direct flights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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