N.E. Brigand Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Top 3 will be very competitive and the next 3 as well. So is everyone pretty much agreed that there's no way any corps in that next group can catch the top three in the remaining five and a half weeks? That the corps have, as it were, slotted themselves at least that far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaddyt Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 His clarifications and my explanation (below) crossed in cyberspace. I restate them. 1. He reacts to my mention of a revolving door of staffers by giving us the number of 33 staffers present at the H.S. where the Cadets are practicing today in a foggy, drizzly day. From this and other posts, I respond that he is too much a loyalist and invite him to look more critically. 2. To my question, if the performance is poor why do the numbers go up? I suspect some behind the scenes Hopkins-style politics. NJcorpsguy does not dispute this. 3. He does not dispute my contention that on certain shows Cadets are being overscored. Cadets' scores have gone down. 6/25 - 79.3; 6/26 - 78.2; 6/28 - 77.6. They've started to climb back up. But to your point, the reason a poor performance may not be reflected from the previous score is that the judges aren't comparing the current performance to the previous, most likely because they weren't at the previous show. They base their numbers on what they see that night and that number is a product of a number of things, not the least of which is the other corps performance. The number the judge gives out isn't necessarily saying "Cadets guard is an 8.2 tonight," as much as they're saying "Cadets guard is .9 better than Phantoms guard which is 2.3 better than Madisons," etc., etc. And then of course, Hop gives the judges kickbacks. That's why they've dominated so consistently over the past decade.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Dixon Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 So is everyone pretty much agreed that there's no way any corps in that next group can catch the top three in the remaining five and a half weeks? That the corps have, as it were, slotted themselves at least that far? it will be interesting when SCV gets into the mix / but the 5 point pad between Cadets & Phantom/Bluecoats points to a gap there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
normy diploome Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Cadets' scores have gone down. 6/25 - 79.3; 6/26 - 78.2; 6/28 - 77.6. They've started to climb back up. But to your point, the reason a poor performance may not be reflected from the previous score is that the judges aren't comparing the current performance to the previous, most likely because they weren't at the previous show. They base their numbers on what they see that night and that number is a product of a number of things, not the least of which is the other corps performance. The number the judge gives out isn't necessarily saying "Cadets guard is an 8.2 tonight," as much as they're saying "Cadets guard is .9 better than Phantoms guard which is 2.3 better than Madisons," etc., etc. And then of course, Hop gives the judges kickbacks. That's why they've dominated so consistently over the past decade.... Said one director to me last night, none of the scores matter until Minneapolis. I agree that SCV's placement may be a major factor for relative placement for most corps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvu80 Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) newjerseycorpguy, on 01 July 2013 - 02:05 AM, said: why are the east coast scores so much lower? Global Warming. [/quote DCI politics. Edited July 2, 2013 by wvu80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim K Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 I think until the corps most expect to be contenders meet for the first time, which will be Minneapolis, the judges scores will only be a guide. Right now I think it is safe to say based on results that BD and Crown will be two of the top 3, whether Cadets would be a front runner, perhaps the front runner or whether SCV will round out the top three is speculation. If Cadets are the third of the top three contenders, where SCV falls in relation to Phantom and Bluecoats is again, speculation. Early season judging cannot predict who will be the final corps in the Top 7. I think we'll have to wait until San Antonio to make solid predictions in that regard, perhaps even Allentown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skevinp Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Because of the earth's rotation. The sun goes down sooner in the east than in the west. This gives corps in the west more time to improve before their scores come in. People think the scores all come together at the same shows because the judges are the same, but it is really because they are in the same time zone. There's no arguing with science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Ream Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 get everyone together with a full panel, and watch things shake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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