Cappybara Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yeah I'm not suggesting that Hill himself is a bad arranger, just that he's not the right areanger for Phantom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corpsband Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 sayeth Corpsband: In an old house in Paris that was covered with vines lived twelve little girls in two straight lines. In two straight lines they broke their bread ... Yup! Two straight lines sez "Rockford Files" to me, oui ou non? John Brazale and crew would certainly beam. I was wondering if anyone would chase down that reference. It certainly occurred to me when I posted it :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos001 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Absolutely agree. Shaw and Wren were great for Regiment, and it's difficult for Hill to fit in with them. I know Hill is amazing, but I enjoy his marching band work much more than his corps work. Hill knows how to write for woodwinds and brass very well, and I tend to enjoy that more from him. I think this is why his voicing at Regiment seems incomplete. There's something missing. The layers and power just aren't there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackroberts Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That makes perfect sense, actually. I've been thinking the same thing. There's nothing wrong with Hill's arrangements, technically (they're actually - in all honesty - quite good), but they don't pop out at you as being incredible, which Phantom has been known for in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
general_tsos_chicken2 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 his arrangements lack that special something that phantom has always been known for, and are quite bland in comparison. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land_Surfer Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That makes perfect sense, actually. I've been thinking the same thing. There's nothing wrong with Hill's arrangements, technically (they're actually - in all honesty - quite good), but they don't pop out at you as being incredible, which Phantom has been known for in the past. I honestly think he is making the arrangments too complicated. There are a lot of moving parts going on within his arrangements, arpeggios / rolled chords that really don't fit classical arrangements like they do modern and jazz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 To me, whatever the corps (Regiment, Cadets, Glassmen), Hill is always high brass focused. This stands in stark contrast to the Shaw, Wren tradition which gave us "buicks" and what folks today identify as the Regiment-sound. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Land_Surfer Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) To me, whatever the corps (Regiment, Cadets, Glassmen), Hill is always high brass focused. This stands in stark contrast to the Shaw, Wren tradition which gave us "buicks" and what folks today identify as the Regiment-sound. They were definitely partial to their Baris and Euphs, which made for a very rich sound that bolstered the entire hornline, as well as the crowd. Would love to hear more of that style of arranging in the future. Edited December 31, 2014 by Land_Surfer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xandandl Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) I was wondering if anyone would chase down that reference. It certainly occurred to me when I posted it :-) It is the opening five pages of Madeline (the first book) which Bemelmans wrote in 1939 and reprinted in 1960, etc. My research assistant in the children's library fearfully wondered if the show would progress to (Le Bal du) MouIin Rouge ?!?!?! They'd need bring back the "curtain calls" from white swan/black swan '14! Edited December 31, 2014 by xandandl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lincoln Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 To me, whatever the corps (Regiment, Cadets, Glassmen), Hill is always high brass focused. This stands in stark contrast to the Shaw, Wren tradition which gave us "buicks" and what folks today identify as the Regiment-sound. What about 2012's Turandot? Wasn't there a lot of lower brass in that arrangement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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